========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 08:02:55 -0500 Reply-To: jwilliam@pineland.net Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: ReelJustice Organization: ReelOutdoor Adventure & Recreation--ROAR!!! Subject: Re: AOLSERVER Digest & Mail List Functionallity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Topics of the day: > > 1. Mailing List Functionallity > 2. AOLSERVER Digest - 7 Feb 1997 to 22 Feb 1997 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:13:51 -0500 > From: Scott Munro > Subject: Mailing List Functionallity > > I think having the mailing list mail directly to the list members is a good > idea. I'm sure that a lot of the folks posting to the list are in "time > critical" situations... the possibility of getting a near-term response > would be very valuable. > > Regards, > > Scott Munro > Aardvark Interactive, LLC > > >> What do you think about sending AOLServer mailinglist mails > >> directly to the mailing list without beeing collected and send out > >> as a digest once in two weeks ? > > >I am curious what everyone thinks about this. Although the list gets spam, > >I certainly can't blame people for wanting this. > > >Thoughts? > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 08:42:26 -0800 > From: "Robert A. Dennis" > Subject: Re: AOLSERVER Digest - 7 Feb 1997 to 22 Feb 1997 > > I think having access to a database of questions and answers would be > better than immediate delievery of each message. Such a resource would be > wonderful. I can think of other uses of such a system too. Therefore, > (if we are voting) I vote for a web-accessible database of questions. > > best regards I personally prefer a digest version with the availablility of the database referenced by Robert Dennis. I simply do not have sufficient time to wade through countless messages. Many of us are on other related mailing lists. I am on approx 10, all in digest version related to website maintenance. I would probably unsubscribe to the list were the digest version not available. My 2cents worth. -- Sincerely, Joel a/k/a ReelJustice Your connection to the ReelOutdoors is http://www.reeloutdoor.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 10:29:48 -0800 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Infowave Customer Support Subject: MSIE support Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, We are using AOLServer 2.0. There are many features on our website are limited to registered users only. Many people complained that whenever they are using MSIE to access these access-controlled functions, they get the error "Authentication is required for this document. The server did not specify a supported authentication method.". Anyone knows what's wrong? Does it have to do with my nsd.ini setting? Thank you very much, Wendy Liu InfoWave Communications Corp. > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 09:36:35 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: "Peter M. Jansson" Subject: Re: Trouble with mailform.tcl In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970223193312.0091c740@ic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII In the case you're looking at, does one of the input field value begin with a zero? This will force Tcl to interpret the value as a number, rather than as a string. If you can, try it again without the zero (if there is one). Pete. On Sun, 23 Feb 1997 19:33:12 -0500 doman@doitsports.com (Brad Chick) wrote: >When trying to run the mailform.tcl utility, using the *.row variety >(insertandmailop), I've been getting the following message: > >"The HTTP request was in an invalid format or contained invalid data. >Reason: > > integer value too large to represent" > >returned to the client. > >The error log has not been greatly helpful. The function doesn't seem >to >get very far before it bails. >Although it does retrieve the table info. >I thought at first it might be because I was returning the data to the >server encrypted, using the SSL module, but it doesn't work sending >clear >text either. >Nor is the problem because the form has many fields (the most recent >has 21 >fields), for I tried splitting the form into two. >Nor does it have to do with the "required" field, for I get the same >error >with or without it. > >has anybody encountered this problem? and is there a fix available? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 09:06:30 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Brad Chick Subject: TROUBLE WITH MAILFORM.TCL Comments: To: owner-GNNDEVELOPER-L@SERVICES.WEB.AOL.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" When trying to run the mailform.tcl utility, using the *.row variety (insertandmailop), I've been getting the following message: "The HTTP request was in an invalid format or contained invalid data. Reason: integer value too large to represent" returned to the client. The error log has not been greatly helpful. The function doesn't seem to get very far before it bails. Although it does retrieve the table info. I thought at first it might be because I was returning the data to the server encrypted, using the SSL module, but it doesn't work sending clear text either. Nor is the problem because the form has many fields (the most recent has 21 fields), for I tried splitting the form into two. Nor does it have to do with the "required" field, for I get the same error with or without it. has anybody encountered this problem? and is there a fix available? +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | o _ _ _ | | _o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) | | _< \_ _>(_) (_)/<_ \_| \ _|/' \/ | | (_)>(_) (_) (_) (_) (_)' _\o_ | | --------^ ---^--- ---^--- ------- ----------- | | | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ "Doesn't matter where you finish, as long as nothing's broken!" -DoMan Brad Chick doman@doitsports.com Do It Sports, Inc. Voice: (313) 998-0007 150 S. Fifth Ave. Fax: (313) 998-0056 Suite C, Ann Arbor, MI 48014 http://www.doitsports.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 08:56:30 +0000 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Eden Torres T MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have finally installed AOLserver 2.1 in my machine (Sparc Station 5 whith Solaris 2.4) , but I get an error. Port 80 is not used but each time that I try to run AOLserver, it sends me the following message. ------------Begin message in server.log------------------ [1209.4][server1] Notice: Starting server: server1 [1209.4][server1] Notice: Ns_ModuleLoad(server1): Loading module: nssock [1209][server1] Fatal: Sock: Could not receive bind response: Error 0 ------------End message in server.log-------------------- Port 80 is not used . A section of file configuration is this: ----------Begin Section nsd.ini-------------------------- [ns/parameters] User=gnns Home=/data/aolserver [ns/server/server1] DirectoryFile=index.html, index.htm, index.shtml PageRoot=/data/server1 Assets=/data/server1/images [ns/server/server1/db] Pools=* DefaultPool=dbweb [ns/server/server1/module/nssock] Port=80 Hostname=verde.sdnnic.org.ni Address=200.30.50.3 ---------End Section nsd.ini--------------------- If I change the port everything is just fine. I can actually run the server in port 1200. If the problem can not be resolved. How can I hide a port for my users? I don't want to used http://www.sdnnic.org.ni:1200/ I have other machine(Linux) running nacsa httpd. In the past, in my machine, GNNserver for Solaris2.4 worked ok Thanks for you for your help _\\|//_ (' O^O ') ====================================|=ooO=<_>=Ooo===================== | Eden Torres Torres | Asesor Tecnico | Tel: 505-2770845 Red de Desarrollo Sostenible (SDN) | Fax: 505-2770845 mailto:eden@sdnnic.org.ni ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:19:43 +7 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver Comments: Authenticated sender is From: John Buckman Organization: Walter Shelby Group Ltd. Subject: Re: how to receive list mail immediately > What do you think about letting everyone browse through the mailing list > mails as soon as they arrive. I _believe_ that this list is running on LISTSERV software, and that the list settings are set so that new subscribers are set to DIGEST mode initially, when you subscribe. Thus, you can change your membership from DIGEST to MAIL (receive messages immediately), by sending this command: SET AOLSERVER MAIL to LISTSERV@SERVICES.WEB.AOL.COM > For example every posting to the mailinglist could be stored in a > mailinglist-Web Gateway, a http based discussion group so that > everyone can read new questions and answers as soon as they are > posted. So noone has to be wait a week ore more for the answers. My company makes a mailing list server called "Lyris", which has such a web interface, and permits web-based searching of archives, which would be handy for a technical topic such as this. I'd be glad to host this AOLSERVER mailing list if AOL (or the list members) wanted us to. My hunch, however, is that they're wed to LISTSERV. John John Buckman Programmer, Lyris Email List Server Shelby Group Ltd., http://www.shelby.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:14:42 -0800 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: "Dave Valentine;Webb 2012;3471" Subject: Setting Page permissions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there a way to configure AOLserver so that non-system group users can modify page and minweb permissions in their directories? I've tried it on both a user directory (~user/web), and a directory in the server tree, and AOLserver will not let me as just a user modify a permission. I have PUT permission set, and I tried GET permission to, but I still can't create a page permission record unless I'm a system level user. The doc mention something about a page permission record coming up with fixed username if you are not a system user, but the page comes up with a pop-up menu. are teh docs confused, or am I missing a permission record? AOLserver2.1 migrated from 2.03. Solaris 2.5. Using aolpress 2.0. Dave Valentine Internet: dwv@magic.ucsb.edu http://www.geol.ucsb.edu/~dwv/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:14:20 +1300 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Bob Brown Subject: Passwords in User Records Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, I'm writing a Delphi application to create users en-mass and I want to be able to generate a password for each user. Currently, I am changing a password on a test account and entering the encrypted password manually into an input box. There *MUST* be an easier way ... - Bob - ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 16:41:41 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Kriston Organization: AOLserver Development, AOL Technologies, Reston, VA Subject: Digest or No Digest of AOLserver? To change your listserv settings for any mailing list (provided it's allowed), all you have to do to get non-digestified versions of the list is to send a message to LISTERV@LISTERV.WEB.AOL.COM with the following line in the body of the message: SET AOLSERVER NODIGEST I hope this finally puts to rest the ongoing debate about whether to digest or not to digest. HOWEVER, in the case of a moderated mailing list (like AOLSERVER is), those messages usually have to be approved by the list moderator and are more appropriate in digested form, unless you like getting spurts of 5 or 10 messages at a time as they're approved. I just did the above step to the AOLserver mailing list and I'm now getting individual messages sent to me. Personally, I see no problem with the moderated AOLSERVER list. And on a related note, if only those people who respond to the AOLserver mailing list digest would choose NOT to quote the entire digest message when responding (and I think you know who you are), the world would be a nicer place indeed. (Or at least our moderator shouldn't be letting these "garbage" messages to get through and should be asking the sender to re-submit them properly.) Hope this helps, Kris ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 13:24:01 -0800 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: "Dave Valentine;Webb 2012;3471" Subject: Re: AOLSERVER Digest - 27 Feb 1997 to 28 Feb 1997 In-Reply-To: <199703010453.UAA08005@magic> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Anyhow I believe my problem is in setting the NSCGI module mappings, I just > cant understand the gnn docs clearly enough to know if I have my permissions > set properly. > If I have a directory called c:\users\cgi with clock.exe and counter.exe > installed their, exactly what do I put in the NSCGI mappings form? > I tried METHOD URL SCRIPT > post /*.cgi /users/cgi ^^^^^ Make sure these are ALL caps > GET /*.cgi /users/cgi > also I tell ther module to update after every change and restart aolserver > as well. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:19:43 +7 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver Comments: Authenticated sender is From: John Buckman Organization: Walter Shelby Group Ltd. Subject: Re: running cgi programs with proper permissions > Also I wrote down my original mappings and swear I have those > listed yet clock and counter are still random when they operate > recently :( by random I mean 1 time they run and another they wont > say 50% time they wont run yet another reload sequence in netscape > will make them work again. I have exactly the same problem with AOLServer on my Sparc Ultra I. Have a trivial Perl script: > print "Content-type: text/html\n\nSearching is temporarily offline > for routine maintenance.\n"; and a "lynx" test that checks my CGI speed every ten minutes in a cron job. There are times when this trivial CGI progrma takes several minutes to run. My hunch about this is caused by the thread-priority of CGI processes. My server is fairly busy (300k hits/day), and the CGI speed problem seems to be time-of-day related. If AOLServer runs CGI processes on a lower priority thread, the CGI process would be CPU starved on a busy server, and would act like this. However, I couldn't find anything about thread priorities in the docs, because a quick way to test the theory would be make CGI threads be highest priority. PS: I only have one GET and POST mapping, so I don't think your theory about conflicts is correct. John John Buckman Programmer, Lyris Email List Server Shelby Group Ltd., http://www.shelby.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:12:27 -0600 Reply-To: saturn@nhs.njsd.org Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Nathan lewis Organization: NJSD Subject: AOLServer on WinNT 3.51 home directories MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have AOLServer running on Windows NT 3.51. I can't seem to get the aliases with the ~'s in them to work. I realize that in Unix, the ~ means the home directory of the text directly following the ~. Does ~'s in Windows NT use NT's user database for home directories? Since AOLServer has its own permission and user database, why doesn't the ~ mapping work correctly? I can get regular mappings to work like: saturn= c:\webserver\servers\server1\pages\users\s\saturn I also found that the absolute aliases do not work: saturn=/users/s/saturn DOES NOT WORK (It should be the same as above) Also, why does AOLServer split up the users home directories by their first letter of their name? Can this be changed? If so, where? I tried /~=c:\webserver\servers\server1\pages\~ and a few others like it, and testing it with http://nhs.njsd.org/~saturn with no luck. Has anybody actually gotten the /~ mapping to work, or are all my users stuck with using /users/x/xxxxxx? As a final try, I tried creating a c:\home\saturn, and making the alias: /~=c:\~ and that didn't work either. Is the ~ mapping even valid under Windows NT 3.51? Thanks, Nathan Lewis saturn@nhs.njsd.org saturn@dataex.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:52:22 -0800 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Alex Khassin Subject: Re: Passwords in User Records In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970303211420.0067c0c4@bbs.tekotago.ac.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_04tW23g.bO1997u.N06d000A.r03Y.52:002d05" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --=_04tW23g.bO1997u.N06d000A.r03Y.52:002d05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:14:20 -0800 Bob Brown wrote: >I'm writing a Delphi application to create users en-mass and I want to be >able to generate a password for each user. Currently, I am changing a >password on a test account and entering the encrypted password manually into >an input box. There *MUST* be an easier way ... You could write a tcl script that changed the password for every user in a list to whatever. It's fairly easy to do with the new 2.1 functions that deal with users. (See the docs online) --=_04tW23g.bO1997u.N06d000A.r03Y.52:002d05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="alexsig.txt" Content-Description: The Sender's Signature -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Alex Khassin AM Computers mailto:akhassin@am.net 1040-B N. Dutton Ave Voice: (800) 579-2018 Santa Rosa, CA 95401 (707) 579-2010 http://am.net ---------------------------------------------------------------- The Source for Advanced Computing Solutions ---------------------------------------------------------------- am.net = The Best Hosting Service with integrated database, secure transactions, real-time credit card processing and more ---------------------------------------------------------------- --=_04tW23g.bO1997u.N06d000A.r03Y.52:002d05-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:58:31 -0800 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Alex Khassin Subject: Re: Setting Page permissions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_04tW47g.bO1997u.N07d000A.r03Y.58:005fd7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --=_04tW47g.bO1997u.N07d000A.r03Y.58:005fd7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:14:42 -0800 "Dave Valentine;Webb 2012;3471" wrote: >Is there a way to configure AOLserver so that non-system group users can >modify page and minweb permissions in their directories? >I have PUT permission set, and I tried GET permission to, but I still >can't create a page permission record unless I'm a system level user. > Make sure that the following URL: /NS/Perm/Update with METHOD POST has a permission for both system group and users group (also make sure the owner is nsadmin). This will only allow users to update an existing permission record which they already own (so it's safe). To allow them to add new permission records (which could be a problem because, for example, a user could restrict GET access to "/" (meaning the entire virtual server) only to themselves) make sure that this URL: /NS/Perm/Add with method POST has a permission for both system group and users group (also make sure the owner is nsadmin). Note that you won't be able to add or update a record if you change the owner. ONLY nsadmin can set or change the OWNER. --=_04tW47g.bO1997u.N07d000A.r03Y.58:005fd7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="alexsig.txt" Content-Description: The Sender's Signature -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Alex Khassin AM Computers mailto:akhassin@am.net 1040-B N. Dutton Ave Voice: (800) 579-2018 Santa Rosa, CA 95401 (707) 579-2010 http://am.net ---------------------------------------------------------------- The Source for Advanced Computing Solutions ---------------------------------------------------------------- am.net = The Best Hosting Service with integrated database, secure transactions, real-time credit card processing and more ---------------------------------------------------------------- --=_04tW47g.bO1997u.N07d000A.r03Y.58:005fd7-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:36:37 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Marvin Allen Wolfthal Subject: Illustra template1 restore Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, I have posted this question before to no avail: how does one restore template1, which is a privileged command? Thanks Marvin Allen Wolfthal (maw@fsg.com) Technical Director Fusion Systems Group, Inc. 10 Winthrop Square, Boston, MA 02110 (617) 542-6130 Fax: 542-6248 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 14:43:10 +0100 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Tilo Christ Subject: Problems with ns_perm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi! I set up AOLServer under both NT3.51 SP4 as well as NT4.0. I have set up a virtual server and included the ns_perm module. The server log tells me that nsperm.dll is being loaded during start-up. Unfortunately I never get to see the access-control options. The access admin-scripts are also never being sourced. When I source them manually and call them up through the NS/Perm/Admin URL I get errors that ns_perm and ns_users are undefined Tcl-commands. Can anybody help me? I really need to get this running, because I depend on the POST-method to be working for my scripts. Or is there some way I can manipulate the permission files by hand? Many thanks in advance. Sincerely, Tilo Christ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:21:39 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: carterm Organization: The Publicate Corporation Subject: Re: running cgi programs with proper permissions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello, somebody please save me, how do I get off this list? I am drowning, thanks. John Buckman wrote: > Also I wrote down my original mappings and swear I have those > listed yet clock and counter are still random when they operate > recently :( by random I mean 1 time they run and another they wont > say 50% time they wont run yet another reload sequence in netscape > will make them work again. I have exactly the same problem with AOLServer on my Sparc Ultra I. Have a trivial Perl script: > print "Content-type: text/html\n\nSearching is temporarily offline > for routine maintenance.\n"; and a "lynx" test that checks my CGI speed every ten minutes in a cron job. There are times when this trivial CGI progrma takes several minutes to run. My hunch about this is caused by the thread-priority of CGI processes. My server is fairly busy (300k hits/day), and the CGI speed problem seems to be time-of-day related. If AOLServer runs CGI processes on a lower priority thread, the CGI process would be CPU starved on a busy server, and would act like this. However, I couldn't find anything about thread priorities in the docs, because a quick way to test the theory would be make CGI threads be highest priority. PS: I only have one GET and POST mapping, so I don't think your theory about conflicts is correct. John John Buckman Programmer, Lyris Email List Server Shelby Group Ltd., http://www.shelby.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:06:11 -0500 Reply-To: doug@aol.net Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Doug McKee Subject: AOLserver news The past few months have seen a lot of changes at AOL in the Web Server Development Group, including moving the group across country (from Santa Barbara, California to Reston, Virginia) and nearly a whole new development team. I hope you'll understand these changes as the reason why we've haven't been putting out new releases and you haven't heard much from us lately on the mailing list. In that time, we've been doing a lot of thinking and planning, and I wanted to keep you all in the loop. Let me say also, right up front, that AOL remains committed to free distribution of AOLserver, and we're planning some good stuff for our next releases. Now some bad news: We will not be making any new Windows NT releases. That is, we are no longer supporting Windows NT as a platform, and future releases will only be on Unix platforms. Here at AOL, we don't use Windows NT a whole lot, and we feel our effort is better spent improving the product for Unix than in maintaining the same functionality under Windows NT. I know that perhaps over 50% of the AOLserver users outside of AOL are on Windows NT, and we've really appreciated the bug reports and good ideas that have come from you. We will be continuing to support Linux, so some of you will at least be able to use the same hardware to run new AOLserver releases. We will also continue to distribute the current version of AOLserver for Windows NT (i.e. version 2.1). We will continue to do free distributions of new releases for Unix platforms, including SGI Irix, HP/UX, Digital Unix, Sun Solaris, and Linux. We will only be distributing the 40 bit SSL module. That is, we will no longer be mailing out copies of the 128 bit SSL module to addresses in the United States. If and when the export restrictions are lifted, we will put the 128 bit SSL module on the web site for electronic distribution. Starting on June 1, we will no longer be able to freely distribute the Illustra RDBMS -- our license agreement with Illustra (now Informix) was a 2 year agreement and that's when it expires. Until then, you can still download the software from our web or ftp sites. We will continue to support the freely available Postgres 95 database, and we would love to help anyone who writes a database driver for any other freely available (or commercial for that matter) rdbms's (e.g., GNU SQL Server). Finally, we are planning a release of AOLserver (2.2) for June that includes many new features including support for a newer version of Tcl and memory caching for performance. Thanks for sticking with us, and feel free to post questions and comments to the AOLserver mailing list (http://www.primehost.com/members/discuss/index.htm)! Doug -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Doug McKee, Manager, Web Server Development Email: doug@aol.net America Online, Inc. Voice: (703) 265-5731 12100 Sunrise Valley Dr. Fax: (703) 453-4005 Reston, VA 20191 ------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 20:54:53 -0800 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Eric Klein Subject: Unsubscibing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone, For those of you who have been trying to unsubscribe, without success, here is what you can do to help: If you have more than one email address that this might be coming to, such as an old address that is forwarding your mail to you, please let me know so I can try to unsubscribe those addresses. Also, there seem to be a few people out there who get this list as a part of another list, and unfortunately, I can do nothing for those of you who are in this situation without unsubscribing the whole list that is subscribed to this list. The problem is that there are a lot of people who receive mail at one address (or from some other account that the mail is then forwarded from), and then try to unsubscribe from some separate address, or account. Unfortunately this will not work, because without knowing the exact address that you are subscribed to this list by, I can't give the right command to unsubscribe. Thanks everyone. Eric Klein AOLserver list moderator ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:09:51 +0000 Reply-To: Marcus.Elwert@dat-gmbh.de Sender: Web Development with AOLserver Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Marcus Elwert Organization: DAT GmbH Subject: Accessing Access Control Menu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello all, I'm verry new to Aolserver, so I have a verry novice question. I'm using the latest Linux Version from Aolserver I set up one virtual server running on port 80 with 3 modules nsssock, nslog, nsperm. I can access the virtual server and the admin server on port 9876 from my client. The Problem I don't have a link to access control pages on my admin page. What can I do? Deutsche Automobil Treuhand System Operation Center Wollgrasweg 43 70599 Stuttgart Germany Marcus.Elwert@dat-gmbh.de Phone : +49 (0)711 4503 208 Fax : +49 (0)711 4586340 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:09:47 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Barlow Subject: dumping NT support Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I recieved a very bad shock today when I found out AOL is writeing off winNT support,I realize I have no position to complain when AOL is free. On the other hand I have invested 2 years labor in useing AOlserver on my winNT platform,and feel pretty bad about the decision to drop NT. It was stated that 50% of the users have winNT ?? If this is so why drop such a large market? I personally would rather pay some amount for future upgrades of AOlsever to winNT then just give up on it entirely. I see you plan on keeping the 2.1 distribution of winNT around for future users to download,but you did not say of provideing any support for winNT in the future. I personally spent 1 year fooling with the Linux system, Redhat,Yggradasil,Free BSd etc.and finally gave up on it because I did not have the technical knowledge to babysit Linux all day long, this reasoning caused me to go with WinNT and search for a reasonably priced Server program. AOLserver filled the bill nicely. I have a hunch their are many other AOl users that have similar storys to tell. Considering the fact that their are 200 million,billion Unix based WWW servers on the market, is devoting your time solely towards Unix a wise choice? Please reconsider your decision to drop the winNT platform. Kerry Soon to be..Barlow&Barlow computers Servers for you. http://204.181.7.192 barlow@servtech.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:11:51 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Peter Jansson Subject: Re: Integer value too large... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I meant the values in the fields, rather than the name of the field. You can encounter this error when there's a test in the code like this: if {$thing1 == ""} { If $thing1 contains a string like "9939295757382938576743", tcl will first try to interpret $thing1 as a number, giving the failure you see. To fix it, you have to find the spot in the code generating this problem, and change it to something like: if {[string length $thing1] == 0} { So, how about the values? On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Brad Chick wrote: > > >Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 09:36:35 -0500 > >From: "Peter M. Jansson" > >Subject: Re: Trouble with mailform.tcl > > > >In the case you're looking at, does one of the input field value begin > >with a zero? This will force Tcl to interpret the value as a number, > >rather than as a string. If you can, try it again without the zero (if > >there is one). > >>"The HTTP request was in an invalid format or contained invalid data. > >>Reason: > >> > >> integer value too large to represent" > > The form has no field that begins with zero. All the fields are of the form: > ColValue.field_name ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:13:55 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Peter Jansson Subject: Re: Integer value too large... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey! Is there a phone number in the fields? This could be a large number. Try prefixing it with a parenthesis or something to see. Pete. On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Peter Jansson wrote: > I meant the values in the fields, rather than the name of the field. You > can encounter this error when there's a test in the code like this: > > if {$thing1 == ""} { > > If $thing1 contains a string like "9939295757382938576743", tcl will first > try to interpret $thing1 as a number, giving the failure you see. To fix > it, you have to find the spot in the code generating this problem, and > change it to something like: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:49:58 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: wpowell@edu.att.com Subject: 6. AOLserver (Bad NT) news MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug and the rest of the AOLServer team, Thanks for the news - I just wish the development team (management) hadn't lost it's commitment to NT. The potential loss of growth customers will surely be felt by Primehost in the future. Many small (future) customers start out on NT because of it's availability and lack of "Unix administrative hell". My guess is that, given the choice, they'll opt for a local IPP rather than doing it themselves and eventually migrating to Primehost. In the meantime, we can all hope that the promised NT Apache becomes a reality. MS IIS simply isn't an option: I'd rather marry a Troll than marry IIS, Back Orfice, Internet Exploder, ActiveHex and the rest of the MS "Adopt, Extend, screw up" philosophy. Thanks much for AOLServer 2.1 though. It's a LOVELY product and the TCL extensions are an absolute marvel. Bill Powell whp@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- The preceding is thought to be either a personal opinion or a delusion and in no way reflects the policy, opinion or nightmares of my employer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- >Subject: AOLSERVER Digest - 3 Mar 1997 to 4 Mar 1997 --- >6. AOLserver news > >Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:06:11 -0500 >From: Doug McKee >Subject: AOLserver news >--- >Now some bad news: We will not be making any new Windows NT releases. >That is, we are no longer supporting Windows NT as a platform, and future releases will only be on Unix platforms.--- --- >Finally, we are planning a release of AOLserver (2.2) for June that >includes many new features including support for a newer version of >Tcl and memory caching for performance. > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 20:47:40 +0100 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: "Edward C. Zimmermann" Subject: Virtual Host Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Anyone do a package for AOLServer to handle virtual using HTTP 1.1+, viz. multiple virtual servers using the same IP address? -- ______________________ Edward C. Zimmermann Basis Systeme netzwerk/Munich ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:01:29 -0500 Reply-To: doug@aol.net Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Doug McKee Subject: Re: dumping NT support In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970305160947.002fb824@pop.servtech.com> (message from Barlow on Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:09:47 -0500) >>>>> "Kerry" == Barlow writes: Kerry> I recieved a very bad shock today when I found out AOL is Kerry> writeing off winNT support,I realize I have no position to We didn't make the decision to stop development for Windows NT lightly - in fact, we'd been going back and forth on the issue for quite a while before making the decision. It just came down to the fact that it was a significant amount of work to keep up, and we had no one in house using the product. Kerry> complain when AOL is free. On the other hand I have Kerry> invested 2 years labor in useing AOlserver on my winNT Kerry> platform,and feel pretty bad about the decision to drop NT. Kerry> It was stated that 50% of the users have winNT ?? If this Kerry> is so why drop such a large market? We're not in the software business; we're in the service business. It just so happens that AOL has a big need for it's own web server software, and this software is useful to the public. We distribute it as a public service and to get feedback (e.g., bug reports, ideas); _not_ to make money. Kerry> I personally would Kerry> rather pay some amount for future upgrades of AOlsever to Kerry> winNT then just give up on it entirely. I see you plan on Kerry> keeping the 2.1 distribution of winNT around for future Kerry> users to download,but you did not say of provideing any Kerry> support for winNT in the future. We will not be. Kerry> I personally spent 1 year Kerry> fooling with the Linux system, Redhat,Yggradasil,Free BSd Kerry> etc.and finally gave up on it because I did not have the Kerry> technical knowledge to babysit Linux all day long, this Kerry> reasoning caused me to go with WinNT and search for a Kerry> reasonably priced Server program. AOLserver filled the bill Kerry> nicely. I have a hunch their are many other AOl users that Kerry> have similar storys to tell. Considering the fact that Kerry> their are 200 million,billion Unix based WWW servers on the Kerry> market, is devoting your time solely towards Unix a wise Kerry> choice? Please reconsider your decision to drop the winNT Kerry> platform. We're not planning on changing the code so radically that we could never go back to NT, but for now, the decision has been made. I suppose if I were a marketing person I would say something more mealy-mouthed, but I'm a software developer. doug -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Doug McKee, Manager, Web Server Development Email: doug@aol.net America Online, Inc. Voice: (703) 265-5731 12100 Sunrise Valley Dr. Fax: (703) 453-4005 Reston, VA 20191 ------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:41:00 PST Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: JamesX Blakeman Subject: Dropping support for Windows NT AOLserver developers, (an open letter) Well, I *really* wish you guys wouldn't drop support for NT. While it seems like 2.1 has more that enough features to keep our development efforts afloat indefinitely, I would really like to see what you're cooking up for the next releases. We're running a couple servers here in my group (AOLserver and Microsoft IIS). Your server consistently blows IIS out of the water. Its implementation is *much* more elegant, and we aren't plagued by the security holes that infest IIS. Its not much fun to turn on CNN in the morning, only to hear that another IIS security hole has been discovered by gradeschool kids...please keep my options open! :) (On a side note...why hasn't AOLserver been in the latest head-to-head web server comparisons in the trade mags? ... you have a superior product, please get the word out!) If 50% of us are using NT, why drop it? As much as I hate Microsoft, I think its inevitable that NT is going to take over. For once, the boys in Redmond have a product that's pretty decent. Heck, I'm a huge Mac fan, but I've got to admit that NT is pretty stable & powerful. I'm willing to donate a decent amount of my time to help out, if that's what it takes. -James blakeman@pipedream.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 02:06:10 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Hallow Subject: Real Linux Problem(s). MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, I've been playing with aolserver for awhile now. My main interest has been getting the free security features working. Unfortunately I'm having NO success. I cannot get the setup of the server, under any circumstances to display the security administration features indicated in the documentation. I can specify paths for the cert/key, etc., but cannot create a new key or request a new certificate. In addition, whenever I try to access the List Configuration Sections in expert mode, I get an internal server error. Has anyone had *any* success with the security module (export or restricted, at this point I don't care) under linux? Thanks, Mark R. Andrachek, Jr. AKA Hallow hallow@hallow.erols.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:49:42 +0100 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Bengt Falke Subject: Re: dumping NT support MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello ==== To bad that you are dropping such a good product. I personally would rather pay for future upgrades of AOlsever for winNT then just give up on it entirely. ---------------------------------------------------- Best Regards Med vänlig hälsning Bengt Falke MIS IT-chef Hultsfreds kommun (+46)-495-16262 falke@hultsfred.se ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:14:11 -0500 Reply-To: Ivan Auger Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Ivan Auger Subject: adding users via a script from unix password file In-Reply-To: "Your message with ID" <199702230508.AAA27820@services.web.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I need to add all of our users into our AOLSERVER. I know about the ns_user function. However, I obviously don't know the users password. Can I just modify file user.dat and use their already encoded unix password ? Thanks for any information. Ivan Auger ivan.auger@wadsworth.org Ivan E. Auger ivan.auger@wadsworth.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:32:16 +0100 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Franz Rohner Subject: Re: Settings for the list In-Reply-To: <199702230032.QAA23936@acme.sb.west.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Eric, I think you could give this proposal a try and see whether abuse takes place. A well organized Web based forum (topics, threads, etc) would of course be welcome. It would require password protection against abuse. Regards, Franz +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Franz Rohner, CERN-LHC/ICP, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Franz.Rohner@cern.ch | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 05:22:09 -0800 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: "Martin W. Kane" Subject: Script needed... In-Reply-To: <199702230507.AAA27814@services.web.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anybody have a CGI or TCL script that will post a form directly to a html page? :MK =============================================================== = Marty Kane = Phone: 714/577-0482 = = Marty Kane Motorsports = Fax: 714/577-0483 = = PO Box 908 = = = Brea, CA 92822-0908 = E-Mail: martykane@racepages.com = =============================================================== = Internet: www.racepages.com www.martykane.com = =============================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 13:49:25 +0100 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Marco Coletti Subject: Re: Fancy directories Comments: cc: jbuckman@shelby.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09.30 18/02/97 +7, you wrote: >The Directory-Listing "fancy" setting has the option of showing >descriptions along with each filename. > >Does anyone know how to associate filenames with descriptions? It >doesn't seem to be documented... AFAIK, the descriptions seen on the dir listings seem always coincide with the HTML title of the page, whether or not the dir is a miniweb (i.e. it was created or webized with AOLpress and has a file named document.nvd). ------------------------------------------------------------ -= MarCo =- PGP public key: finger marco.coletti@mail.bearnet.it http://www.pgp.net/cgi-bin/pks-extract-key.pl?op=index&search=0x96A79061 http://www.es.net/cgi-bin/pgp.pl?userid=0x96A79061 Fingerprint: 9F E5 80 61 F6 9F 05 2D EA 53 6F 2D 82 8B C7 C2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 12:01:42 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Michael Jennings Subject: Re: Dropping support for Windows NT In-Reply-To: from JamesX Blakeman at "Mar 5, 97 10:41:00 am" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JamesX Blakeman wrote: > AOLserver developers, (an open letter) > [stuff] The decision has already been made, so why bother complaining? If you are serious about support for NT, why not buy/license the source code from AOL and port it yourself? I, for one, am glad they're dropping NT support. OS's that hide everything behind a GUI under the guise of "simplicity" and "ease of use" are only hurting those who want to get real work done. Give me /bin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, and /sbin directories chock full of command line utilities any day. I don't even care to imagine how many clicks it would take in Explorer and WordPad to do the kinds of things I can do simply by chaining a few calls to grep, sed, and awk together on a command line. Like I've said from the beginnings of NT.... Nice Try. Maybe Next Time. And maybe not. Michael -- "We're going to take a break and go outside for about 15 minutes. Security advises us that this would be a good idea." -- Bill Poucher ======================================================================= Michael Jennings (KainX!mejenn01@irc.louisville.edu) TACH System Administrator http://www.spd.louisville.edu/~mejenn01/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:38:57 -0800 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Jeff Gustafson Subject: Re: dumping NT support In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970305160947.002fb824@pop.servtech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Barlow wrote: > I recieved a very bad shock today when I found out AOL is writeing off winNT > support,I realize I have no position to complain when AOL is free. On the > other hand I have invested 2 years labor in useing AOlserver on my winNT > platform,and feel pretty bad about the decision to drop NT. > It was stated that 50% of the users have winNT ?? If this is so why drop > such a large market? From what has been said before, they run Primehost on Unix. So releasing free versions of AOLServer on various Unix flavors is easy compared to porting/upkeeping an NT version. > I personally would rather pay some amount for future upgrades of AOlsever > to winNT then just give up on it entirely. > I see you plan on keeping the 2.1 distribution of winNT around for future > users to download,but you did not say of provideing any support for winNT in > the future. > I personally spent 1 year fooling with the Linux system, > Redhat,Yggradasil,Free BSd etc.and finally gave up on it because I did not > have the technical knowledge to babysit Linux all day long, this reasoning > caused me to go with WinNT and search for a reasonably priced Server > program. AOLserver filled the bill nicely. If its been more than a year since you tried Linux, then try it again. A lot has changed. The RedHat 4.1 release is very slick. Adding, removing, and upgrading program packages is very easy. And Linux is a very stable OS. I've had an uptime of > 150 days on a Linux based USENET news server. Babysit?? The thing just RUNS! > I have a hunch their are many other AOl users that have similar storys to tell. > Considering the fact that their are 200 million,billion Unix based WWW > servers on the market, is devoting your time solely towards Unix a wise choice? > Please reconsider your decision to drop the winNT platform. Yeah, but not all Unix web servers are as cool as AOLServer. --- Jeffrey Gustafson -- jeffgus@packadrdbell.com jeffg@amgen.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 12:40:36 -0800 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Mary Oklah Subject: Using Databases and Forms in Aolserver MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Help! Once we have set permissions for users (customers) so that they may access certain files (pdf files which are downloaded to our site on a daily basis) we do not understand how to keep track of how many files each customer (password) accesses so that we may bill them accordingly at the end of the month. Does any one know if we can do this with aolserver at the commercial level. If not, where can we find a program that will do this or does anyone know who could write such a program for us. Thank you. M. Oklah The Winners Circle http://www.simulcastexpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 13:18:23 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Brian Davidson Subject: Uploading Database Files Does anyone have suggestions for uploading database files using Tcl? I am a commercial level PrimeHost customer & have tried writing my own Tcl script, to no avail, using the micopy command. I'm not a programmer, and obviously doing something wrong!! Any input is appreciated! Brian Davidson CyberCenter Productions Inc. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 19:13:00 +0100 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Michael Hirmke Organization: Kommunikationsnetz Franken e.V. (Nuernberg) Subject: dropping NT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi *, ok, the decision has been made to drop support for Windows NT. Personally I regret that decision cause AOLserver plus Illustra are the perfect combination for me, but I see no chance to complain about it, cause AOLserver is a free distributed product. So - what are the alternatives ? I like Linux much better than Windows NT, so I will try to switch over to AOLserver for Linux, but - I need the database features of Illustra or some quiet similar database. What would you recommend ? I have no idea about what database to use with AOLserver with Linux. Thanks and bye. Michael. -- Michael Hirmke, Georg-Strobel-Strasse 81, D-90489 Nuernberg, Germany email mh@mike.franken.de / voice +49-911-557999 / fax +49-911-557664 www http://mike.franken.de/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 16:06:25 -0600 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Phil Plumbo Subject: CGI perl script can't connect to mailserver Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am setting up Matt's FormMail.pl script on my NT 3.51-based AOLServer v1.2.3. Everything works except for one thing...when the postmail.exe program is called via the CGI, it complains that it can't connect to the mailserver. From the command line, it works. From perl, it works. But not via AOLServer. I've tried blat, too, and it complains about the same problem. Can't find the mailserver. The mailserver is hosted on the same machine as AOLServer. Has anyone been here before? Phil Plumbo Printware, Inc. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 19:16:50 -0800 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: JoE BOb Subject: Re: dropping NT -- Good move AOL! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:13 PM 3/6/97 +0100, you wrote: >So - what are the alternatives ? >I like Linux much better than Windows NT, so I will try to switch over >to AOLserver for Linux, but - I need the database features of Illustra >or some quiet similar database. What would you recommend ? >I have no idea about what database to use with AOLserver with Linux. The solution to this problem, is quite simple. You run your AOLserver on your Linux box, and then you run your Illustra on your pansy NT machine. From what I have been told it's real easy to get your Linux machine to access the Illustra Database on a NT box. Anyway, Illustra is suppose to be run on a separate system than you web server. I don't understand why everyone is complaining so much about AOL's decision to discontinue Windows NT. Windows NT is a terrible platform to run a Web server on, you guys should be thanking AOL for making you run your web server on a real machine! It is incredible easy to go from running AOLserver on Windows NT to running it on Linux. You simply pogostick down to your nearest computer store, fork over 20 bucks and get Informagic's latest Linux distribution. Informagic's distribution consists of a 6 cd set, which includes Red Hat 4.1, Slackware 3.1 (Slackware 96), Debian GNU/Linux 1.2, Complete on-line docs & HOWTO's, Metro-X Server from MetroLinx, and some of the coolest stuff on the face of earth. If you don't want to forkover 20 bucks, you go to http://www.redhat.com and download their latest distribution. You then, order a few pizzas, get out your pogostick, and you will soon be a real man. The setup process is incredible easy. If you are new to the linux scene then there is documentation everywhere. Remember, you don't have to completely move your whole entire system to Linux, you can still run a lot of your toys on Windows NT. For example, your DNS server can still remain on Windows NT. If you have any trouble running your system on Linux just send mail to jhuber@am.net and I will be glad to help you out. --------- - Jeff Huber - JoE BOb - jhuber@am.net - ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:02:42 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Scott Munro Subject: Script needed... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" on Sun, 23 Feb 1997 Martin W. Kane wrote: > Does anybody have a CGI or TCL script that will post a form directly to a > html page? > :MK I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but I have a couple of Tcl scripts I wrote that echo back forms input and connection info to an HTML page which I use for debug purposes. Is this what you're trying to accomplish? Or, do you want the form data just to be saved as an HTML page on the server? Regards, Scott Munro Aardvark Interactive ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 14:28:56 +0100 Reply-To: dormanns@kzs.hu Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Dormanns Marcel Organization: Kossuth Zsuzsanna Tech. Highschool Subject: Re: AOLserver news MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Quite bad news that support for the NT version of AOLserver will stop, but understandable. I do have a question though concerning the bundled Illustra and its license. It is only mentioned that distribution with AOLserver will stop, but what about the usage licenses. Will they be invalid as well after june 1? Can I continue to use the already installed (freely downloaded) version? I hope someone can shed some light on this issue. Thanks in advance. --------------------------------------------------- Marcel Dormanns, system manager Kossuth Zsuzsanna Technical and High School 6800 Hodmezovasarhely, Kaszap u 29, Hungary Tel. +36-62-341811 Fax +36-62-344884 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 05:17:03 -0800 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Hal Casteel Subject: Re: Using Databases and Forms in Aolserver MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Mary, We are currently implementing a program that will be capable of tracking on various levels depending on the specification of what is required. Fill me in on the details of what exactly is required and we could contract something for your organization. My phone at the office in San Francisco is: 415-931-2593 Pager: 1-800-864-8444 (Alphanumeric) give the operator my name - Hal Casteel spell it out and they will give me a text message. Look forward to following up with you. Sincerely yours, Hal Casteel P.S. We have been doing Naviserver/AOLserver Illustra database development for more than a year and a half and work closely with AOL Enterprise if you need references. We also have developed site for the Real Estate Board of New York. Mary Oklah wrote: > > Help! Once we have set permissions for users (customers) so that they may > access certain files (pdf files which are downloaded to our site on a > daily basis) we do not understand how to keep track of how many files > each customer (password) accesses so that we may bill them accordingly at > the end of the month. > Does any one know if we can do this with aolserver at the commercial > level. If not, where can we find a program that will do this or does > anyone know who could write such a program for us. > Thank you. > M. Oklah > The Winners Circle > http://www.simulcastexpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 16:24:00 +0100 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Michael Hirmke Organization: Kommunikationsnetz Franken e.V. (Nuernberg) Subject: Re: dropping NT -- Good move AOL! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------------------------------------------------------------------- referring to your message with subject: [Re: dropping NT -- Good move AOL!] posted on: [06 Mar 97] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [...] > The solution to this problem, is quite simple. You run your AOLserver on > your Linux box, and then you run your Illustra on your pansy NT machine. > From what I have been told it's real easy to get your Linux machine to > access the Illustra Database on a NT box. Anyway, Illustra is suppose to be > run on a separate system than you web server. I never saw any documentation on that one - can you enlighten me, where to find info about it ? > > I don't understand why everyone is complaining so much about AOL's decision > to discontinue Windows NT. Windows NT is a terrible platform to run a Web > server on, you guys should be thanking AOL for making you run your web > server on a real machine! Would you please be so kind to let me choose, what platform I want to use for my web server ?!? [...] > The setup process is incredible easy. If you are new to the linux scene > then there is documentation everywhere. Remember, you don't have to > completely move your whole entire system to Linux, you can still run a lot > of your toys on Windows NT. For example, your DNS server can still remain > on Windows NT. It is not that I like NT better than Linux - in fact, as I wrote before, it's the other way round. But at work we decided to use NT as our one and only platform (IMHO a bad decision, but no way) - so I really have a problem ! Bye. Michael. -- Michael Hirmke, Georg-Strobel-Strasse 81, D-90489 Nuernberg, Germany email mh@mike.franken.de / voice +49-911-557999 / fax +49-911-557664 www http://mike.franken.de/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 11:01:24 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Kriston Organization: AOLserver Development, AOL Networks, Reston, VA Subject: Re: dropping NT In-Reply-To: <199703070504.AAA02656@services.web.aol.com> you write: >So - what are the alternatives ? >I like Linux much better than Windows NT, so I will try to switch over >to AOLserver for Linux, but - I need the database features of Illustra >or some quiet similar database. What would you recommend ? >I have no idea about what database to use with AOLserver with Linux. You can grab a copy of Postgres95, a free implementation of SQL, from www.postgresql.org. There is code in the AOLserver distribution for a database driver that you can try compiling on Linux. That code is in the "examples/c/postgres/" directory of the AOLserver distribution and should be enough to get you connected to Postgres95. One of the only features of SQL that the Postgres95 docs say it does not support is queries within queries (ie, "select * from events where date in (select date from orders)"). The Postgres95 installation from www.postgresql.org has a regression testing step that will ensure that PG95 is installed properly. I've installed PG95 and used the query front-end myself, but I haven't yet tried out the PG95 proxy daemon for AOLserver. Let me know how it works out! Kris -- Kriston J. Rehberg America Online, Inc. http://members.aol.com/kriston/ AOLserver Development (703) 453-4409 endeavor to persevere ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:51:56 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: gnat Subject: Re: dropping NT -- Good move AOL! In-Reply-To: <6SRB$3FKpfB@mike.franken.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, Michael Hirmke wrote: > > access the Illustra Database on a NT box. Anyway, Illustra is suppose to be > > run on a separate system than you web server. > > I never saw any documentation on that one - can you enlighten me, where > to find info about it ? As far as docs i'm not sure I have ever seen them. But I know from working at both PrimeHost and now Digital City having the database on a seperate machine from the web server allows you to tune the machine for a single task instead of having to mix. It also frees up system resources on each machine so again it can work on less tasks. It comes down to a scaling issue and its the same reason that you wouldn't want to run your DNS, SMTP, POP, and NNTP servers all on the same hardware if you are dealing with a high volume of traffic. Dave David Whittle Internet Systems Developer Digital City, Inc. (P) (703) 918-2465 (F) (703) 917-1207 (E) gnat@digitalcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 15:56:46 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Mark Nielsen Subject: Postgres95 driver for Linux using AOLserver Content-Type: text Hello! When you download AOLsever 2.1, it has a bunch of drivers written in C that can be compiled. One of them is a Postgres95 driver. I would like to get it compiled in Linux, but alas, I don't know offhand the variables needed to get it compiled in Linux. Has anybody successfully compiled the postgres driver for Linux? I installed RedHat 4.0 including most of its updates. Thanks! Mark ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 11:00:27 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Peter Jansson Subject: Re: Using Databases and Forms in Aolserver In-Reply-To: <331F2BC4.9D7@mail.idt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The access logs include the username of each authenticated user; you should be able to use the log to determine who read what when. A non-authenticated user would appear as "-" when fetching a file. Pete. On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Mary Oklah wrote: > Help! Once we have set permissions for users (customers) so that they may > access certain files (pdf files which are downloaded to our site on a > daily basis) we do not understand how to keep track of how many files > each customer (password) accesses so that we may bill them accordingly at > the end of the month. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 16:18:00 +0100 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Michael Hirmke Organization: Kommunikationsnetz Franken e.V. (Nuernberg) Subject: Re: Using Databases and Forms in Aolserver MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------------------------------------------------------------------- referring to your message with subject: [Using Databases and Forms in Aolserver] posted on: [06 Mar 97] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Mary, > Help! Once we have set permissions for users (customers) so that they may > access certain files (pdf files which are downloaded to our site on a > daily basis) we do not understand how to keep track of how many files > each customer (password) accesses so that we may bill them accordingly at > the end of the month. > Does any one know if we can do this with aolserver at the commercial > level. If not, where can we find a program that will do this or does > anyone know who could write such a program for us. There are many tools around, which can build statistics from a web server's log file. AOLserver's log file is not in an unusual format - you can even have it in NCSA combined format - so you can use those common avaible tools. > Thank you. > M. Oklah Bye. Michael. -- Michael Hirmke, Georg-Strobel-Strasse 81, D-90489 Nuernberg, Germany email mh@mike.franken.de / voice +49-911-557999 / fax +49-911-557664 www http://mike.franken.de/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 16:15:00 +0100 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Michael Hirmke Organization: Kommunikationsnetz Franken e.V. (Nuernberg) Subject: Re: Dropping support for Windows NT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------------------------------------------------------------------- referring to your message with subject: [Re: Dropping support for Windows NT] posted on: [06 Mar 97] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Michael, > JamesX Blakeman wrote: > > > AOLserver developers, (an open letter) > > [stuff] > > The decision has already been made, so why bother complaining? If you Perhaps if enough people complain about that, they revise their decision. > are serious about support for NT, why not buy/license the source code > from AOL and port it yourself? I, for one, am glad they're dropping They don't sell source code licenses - we asked about that. > NT support. OS's that hide everything behind a GUI under the guise > of "simplicity" and "ease of use" are only hurting those who want to > get real work done. Give me /bin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, and /sbin > directories chock full of command line utilities any day. I don't > even care to imagine how many clicks it would take in Explorer and > WordPad to do the kinds of things I can do simply by chaining a few > calls to grep, sed, and awk together on a command line. Like I've > said from the beginnings of NT.... Nice Try. Maybe Next Time. So why are you glad about that fact ? Don't use it, if you don't like it, but "glad" ? Seems as if you are afraid of it !?!? > > And maybe not. > > Michael Bye. Michael. -- Michael Hirmke, Georg-Strobel-Strasse 81, D-90489 Nuernberg, Germany email mh@mike.franken.de / voice +49-911-557999 / fax +49-911-557664 www http://mike.franken.de/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 21:44:54 +7 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver Comments: Authenticated sender is From: John Buckman Organization: Walter Shelby Group Ltd. Subject: Re: CGI perl script can't connect to mailserver Comments: cc: Phil Plumbo > I am setting up Matt's FormMail.pl script on my NT 3.51-based > AOLServer v1.2.3. Everything works except for one thing...when the > postmail.exe program is called via the CGI, it complains that it > can't connect to the mailserver. > > >From the command line, it works. From perl, it works. But not via > AOLServer. > > I've tried blat, too, and it complains about the same problem. > Can't find the mailserver. I have exactly the same problem with NT AOLServer, and cannot find a solution. I have a perl script which attempts to make a TCP/IP socket connection to another program. It works fine on the command line, fine under every other web server (I've tried several), but under AOLServer, it complains that it "can't create socket: unknown error". It looks like AOLServer CGI scripts are somehow being lobotomized so that they cannot access TCP/IP sockets. In the end, I switched to Netscape Fasttrack server on NT, and continue to use AOLServer on Solaris (which doesn't have this problem). John John Buckman Shelby Group Ltd., http://www.shelby.com/ Developers of Lyris Email List Server ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 12:32:18 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Kriston Organization: AOLserver Development, AOL Networks, Reston, VA Subject: Re: Unsubscribing If you need to unsubscribe and you don't know from which address you subscribed to the AOLSERVER list, you can try the following command in the body of a message sent to listserv@services.web.aol.com: review AOLSERVER This command will show you the entire list of people participating in the AOLSERVER list, and from there you can find out which email address you have subscribed from. Then, you can either log onto your account and unsubscribe from there (send this in the body of a message to listserv@services.web.aol.com): unsubscribe AOLSERVER your@email.address If it all fails, you can ask Eric to do it for you. Please try reviewing the list and unsubscribing yourself BEFORE you bother Eric! Hope this helps, Kris -- Kriston J. Rehberg America Online, Inc. http://members.aol.com/kriston/ AOLserver Development (703) 453-4409 endeavor to persevere ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 14:54:18 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Steve Seibold Subject: New to server Hi, I know this is going to all people and I hope this is proper. Im using a cgi client server catalog program to generate html pages on the fly from a database. I was using website 1.1 to test it and it worked fine, hower it does not contain ssl and I do not wish to spend the $500 for the professional version. How do I use the aolserver to test the program without having a static IP address? I'm using it on win95. Any way of getting the server running without first connecting to aol? The localhost is considerably different in website. Website does not require a virtual host. First time i've looked at the server please excuse my ignorance. I am not a developer but just want to get a catalog online inexpensively. Is there a chat or message board for the server? Thankx, Steve Seibold ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:45:14 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: "Michael W. Chalkley" Subject: Help!: tcl script fails with: "integer value too large to represent" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi I didn't see this in the FAQ. I am using a tcl script to validate that a user has keyed in some data on the web form. Here is the relevant code if ![getformdata $conn form] return set user [ns_set get $form ColValue.c_userid] if {$user == ""} { return [ns_returnbadrequest $conn "

Missing User ID in form data

"] It works fine with any string of letters no matter what the length. But if I use a number over nine digits long I receive an error of: integer value too large to represent in my log file and the script fails. Is there a way to fix this???? I am running AOLserver 2.1 on an HP 712 with 96MB RAM running HPUX 10. Any help would be appreciated. Mike -- 01:59:14 03/08/97 _______________________________________________________________________ Michael W. Chalkley Tel: +1.770.823.7846 ZapNet! Inc. Fax: +1.770.475.7640 Suite 400-120 E-mail: mikech@well.com 10945 State Bridge Road mikech@avana.net Alpharetta, GA 30202 (wireless) mikech@radiomail.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 10:38:48 +0100 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Marco Coletti Subject: Re: 6. AOLserver (Bad NT) news Comments: cc: doug@helix.office.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>6. AOLserver news >> >>Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:06:11 -0500 >>From: Doug McKee >>Subject: AOLserver news >>--- >>Now some bad news: We will not be making any new Windows NT releases. >>That is, we are no longer supporting Windows NT as a platform, and >future releases will only be on Unix platforms.--- I'm a little bit upset from this decision. I rememeber the days (some months ago) when the support for AOLserver on Linux was almost inexistant, Solaris had his problems and someone of the developers (I can't remember who) was saying "Our commitment to Windows NT is very strong..." Now, suddenly, you decide NT is not the way to go. I guess this decision is related to the fact that AOLserver is now primarily intended as an engine for PrimeHost services, and the boys at primehost don't care much of NT. Such a marvellous product is reduced to a sort of gift for PrimeHost customers: "Take this service, you can tinker with our web server software too". The marketing people had completely overlooked the fact that AOLserver is a very good product on his own, and it is unrivalled for web development productivity and easyness. I don't see another web server on the market that permits me to implement my ideas in 24 hours or so (thanks to the TCL API) and others are offering similar (but not as good) features only now (NSAPI, ISAPI, LiveWire and so on). I would be happy to pay for this product, but don't care a bit of PrimeHost services. I want to run my web servers myself and do my own development. Now all the people go out and buy MS Back Office ;-) bleah! Why screw up the market chances of such a good product? P.S. What about database connectivity? Informix is going to kill Illustra and their new Informix Universal Server (while incorporating the "object" concept from Illustra) is very different in many ways. Are you planning a driver for IUS ? ------------------------------------------------------------ -= MarCo =- PGP public key: finger marco.coletti@mail.bearnet.it http://www.pgp.net/cgi-bin/pks-extract-key.pl?op=index&search=0x96A79061 http://www.es.net/cgi-bin/pgp.pl?userid=0x96A79061 Fingerprint: 9F E5 80 61 F6 9F 05 2D EA 53 6F 2D 82 8B C7 C2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 03:49:41 -0800 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Chris Umali Subject: Scripts Comments: To: webmaster@racepages.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello Martin, If you want a form that would be created on the fly to an html page. You should explore how to use the customize forms and output forms on the AOLserver 2.1. It is a great design and it does a good job in form creation. If you want some specific formatting, you could save the form and edit the form, based on what your design is. Keep in mind you need to have the /POST procedure in the
to point to the right database pool and table. Have a great weekend, Responding to: Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 05:22:09 -0800 From: "Martin W. Kane" < > Subject: Script needed... Does anybody have a CGI or TCL script that will post a form directly to a html page? :MK Hey.. Like Golf? Then why not cruise down to http://www.tourgolf.com and enter a great fantasy Golf game. Smiles, Chris Umali Webmaster chris@netwerks.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 04:12:08 -0800 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Chris Umali Subject: Using databases adn forms in AOLServer Comments: To: roklah19@idt.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello Mary Oklah, How did you setup your permissions for users (customers) in your live sites? As far as tracking you can check your subdirectory (this is given that you have the pdf files structures in sub-directories) accesses in your access.log file to see how many times a particular customer has accessed the page or a particular document. What would be a better design is to create a database that logs in the username access and add it to the number of times a URL has been accessed. I am not sure what services the commercial level provide. You should check out primehost website http://www.primehost.com for that information or contact one of their customer service reps or tech support. If this is not offered at the commercial level, then the best way to go is either use the analysis program to track it, or write a custom tcl script that would the job. I believe Primehost offers such service, although its might be pricey. Just my thoughts, Hey.. Like Golf? Then why not cruise down to http://www.tourgolf.com and enter a great fantasy Golf game. Smiles, Chris Umali Webmaster chris@netwerks.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 04:16:44 -0800 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Chris Umali Subject: Uploading database files Comments: To: Briandav1@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello Brian, Well here's a suggestion. If you have ftp access to your website, you should upload your file in csv format. After picking the directory (make sure your website can read it... for example http://my_web_site/upload/uploading_this_file.csv). Click on the file, and it should give you a form to upload your file to the server with no problems. You have to go through and choose which pool, tables and column names to upload it to. I find this the easiest way to upload a file to the server, with less of a hassle. You should learn how to use the micopy command though, since at times it is the fastest way of downloading and copying your data. Hope this helps. Have a great weekend, Hey.. Like Golf? Then why not cruise down to http://www.tourgolf.com and enter a great fantasy Golf game. Smiles, Chris Umali Webmaster chris@netwerks.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 23:43:00 +0100 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Michael Hirmke Organization: Kommunikationsnetz Franken e.V. (Nuernberg) Subject: Re: dropping NT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------------------------------------------------------------------- referring to your message with subject: [Re: dropping NT] posted on: [07 Mar 97] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Kriston, [...] > You can grab a copy of Postgres95, a free implementation of SQL, from [...] > tried out the PG95 proxy daemon for AOLserver. Let me know how it > works out! Thanks a lot and I'll post the results here, as soon as I can get enough time to try this. > > Kris Bye. Michael. -- Michael Hirmke, Georg-Strobel-Strasse 81, D-90489 Nuernberg, Germany email mh@mike.franken.de / voice +49-911-557999 / fax +49-911-557664 www http://mike.franken.de/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:23:17 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Peter Jansson Subject: Re: Help!: tcl script fails with: "integer value too large to represent" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Michael W. Chalkley wrote: > if {$user == ""} { [snip] > > integer value too large to represent > Change that line to if {[string length $user] == 0} { Pete. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:37:53 -0500 Reply-To: doug@aol.net Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Doug McKee Subject: Re: AOLSERVER Digest & Mail List Functionallity In-Reply-To: <3316D77F.7035@pineland.net> (message from ReelJustice on Fri, 28 Feb 1997 08:02:55 -0500) There's been a fair amount of mail about the whether this list should be moderated or not. While there are clear arguments for both sides of this, I believe that filtering out the 10-15 garbage messages (e.g., "I'm on vacation", "How do I unsubscribe?") is worth the sometime delay. doug -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Doug McKee, Manager, Web Server Development Email: doug@aol.net America Online, Inc. Voice: (703) 265-5731 12100 Sunrise Valley Dr. Fax: (703) 453-4005 Reston, VA 20191 ------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:50:16 -0500 Reply-To: doug@aol.net Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Doug McKee Subject: Re: AOLserver news Comments: To: dormanns@kzs.hu In-Reply-To: <1F0E263FCB@anett.kzs.hu> (message from Dormanns Marcel on Fri, 7 Mar 1997 14:28:56 +0100) >>>>> "Marcel" == Dormanns Marcel writes: Marcel> Quite bad news that support for the NT version of Marcel> AOLserver will stop, but understandable. Marcel> I do have a question though concerning the bundled Marcel> Illustra and its license. It is only mentioned that Marcel> distribution with AOLserver will stop, but what about the Marcel> usage licenses. Will they be invalid as well after june 1? Marcel> Can I continue to use the already installed (freely Marcel> downloaded) version? I hope someone can shed some light on Marcel> this issue. While we won't be distributing Illustra after June 1, you are free to continue to use it with the AOLserver for as long as you'd like. doug -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Doug McKee, Manager, Web Server Development Email: doug@aol.net America Online, Inc. Voice: (703) 265-5731 12100 Sunrise Valley Dr. Fax: (703) 453-4005 Reston, VA 20191 ------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:53:41 -0500 Reply-To: doug@aol.net Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Doug McKee Subject: Re: dropping NT -- Good move AOL! In-Reply-To: <6SRB$3FKpfB@mike.franken.de> (message from Michael Hirmke on Fri, 7 Mar 1997 16:24:00 +0100) > > The solution to this problem, is quite simple. You run your AOLserver on > > your Linux box, and then you run your Illustra on your pansy NT machine. > > From what I have been told it's real easy to get your Linux machine to > > access the Illustra Database on a NT box. Anyway, Illustra is > > suppose to be run on a separate system than you web server. > I never saw any documentation on that one - can you enlighten me, > where to find info about it ? http://www.aolserver.com/server/docs/2.1/install/ill9.htm has a section describing how to run AOLserver and Illustra on separate boxes. doug -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Doug McKee, Manager, Web Server Development Email: doug@aol.net America Online, Inc. Voice: (703) 265-5731 12100 Sunrise Valley Dr. Fax: (703) 453-4005 Reston, VA 20191 ------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:32:40 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Michael Jennings Subject: Re: Dropping support for Windows NT In-Reply-To: <6SRBZYL4pfB@mike.franken.de> from Michael Hirmke at "Mar 7, 97 04:15:00 pm" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Hirmke wrote: > Perhaps if enough people complain about that, they revise their > decision. Like they said, they are in the service business, not the software business. Leave them alone already.... > They don't sell source code licenses - we asked about that. Bummer. > So why are you glad about that fact ? Don't use it, if you don't like > it, but "glad" ? Seems as if you are afraid of it !?!? I'm glad because Microsoft is the Hitler of the computer industry, and I am all too anxious to see them go away. I am not afraid of NT per se; I am afraid that eventually all the blind mice out there will be suckered into fawning over NT's pretty look (like I said to another subscriber the other day, putting a pretty cover on a toilet seat doesn't change what's in the toilet), and the computing industry will turn into a heap of mindless Microsoft monks who go around chanting "Bill Gates is God" and banging copies of "The Road Ahead" against their foreheads (a la _Monty Python and the Holy Grail_). Mortician Gates: Bring out your dead OS's! Bring out your dead OS's! Lobotomized user: Here's one. Nine pence. Linux: I'm not dead! . . . . . . Michael -- "Only time will tell if our love is scratched in sand, Or if it's etched in stone." -- Poison, "Only Time Will Tell" ======================================================================= Michael Jennings (KainX!mejenn01@irc.louisville.edu) TACH System Administrator http://www.spd.louisville.edu/~mejenn01/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:45:56 -0800 Reply-To: keeptabs@cyberpass.net Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: "Arthur M. Kang" Subject: Bad free() ignored. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was wondering if anyone could help me out with an AOLServer problem. My server that is running on port 80 keeps dieing every once in a while. I have to stop and restart the server to get it going again. The servers running on other ports continue to function smoothly. I checked the server log and the only unusual log entry is: Bad free() ignored. There are a whole bunch of those. Does anyone know what they mean and how to eliminate them? Are they the source of my server crash, or is there another problem? Any help would be appreciated. Arthur ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:00:30 +0100 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Henning Schmiedehausen Organization: ICONSULT Tandogan Schmiedehausen Egerer GbR Subject: Re: Dropping support for Windows NT Web Development with AOLserver writes: >I'm glad because Microsoft is the Hitler of the computer industry, >and I am all too anxious to see them go away. I am not afraid of NT Huh, and I thought I'm the only one that thinks like this... Well, but then again you dragged in the nazis. You lost. Ciao Henning -- Dipl.-Inf. Henning Schmiedehausen - henning@forge.franken.de "Alta la vista, Baby" Henning Schmiedehausen, Privatperson Tel.: +49-9131-502879 Tennenloher Strasse 6, D-91054 Buckenhof Fax.: +49-9131-537873 "porble". What a great word! "Houston, we have a porble!" -- Sean B. Purdy ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:42:45 -0500 Reply-To: doug@aol.net Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Doug McKee Subject: www.aolserver.com Due to an accounting snafu, we didn't pay the NIC bill for the aolserver.com and aolpress.com domain names. This is why the NIC has put the names on hold and is not doing name serving for them right now. We have since paid the bill and the name service should resume ASAP. Until then, you can reach the web site at: http://152.175.1.166/ Sorry about this, and yes, we are embarrassed! doug -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Doug McKee, Manager, Web Server Development Email: doug@aol.net America Online, Inc. Voice: (703) 265-5731 12100 Sunrise Valley Dr. Fax: (703) 453-4005 Reston, VA 20191 ------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:16:06 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: wpowell@edu.att.com Subject: Am I Missing Something? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! Wonder if I have missed the obvious answer on this: I have a bunch of CBT that I want to distribute on an internal Web server. I have the appropriate TCL code to get and verify student registration information. What I need is a way to cause the CBT file to be downloaded to the student VIA a TCL script: I do NOT want the students to get at the files directly. I have placed the CBT files in a directory that is NOT under web_root and can, with a simple TCL script cause them to be downloaded to the student - but the filename is always the name of the TCL script - NOT the true filename? Have I missed something obvious here? Bill Powell wpowell@att.com William H. Powell Sr. Technical Instructor AT&T School of Business and Technology 19 School House Road Somerset, New Jersey 08875 (908) 302-3327 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 13:54:00 PST Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: JamesX Blakeman Subject: Using ns_geturl via a proxy server? Is there a way to call ns_geturl so that it uses a corporate proxy server? I can use it with my home account (dialed into an ISP), but not through our company intranet. Is it a matter of just adding special headers to the http request to route through the proxy server? Thanks. -James blakeman@pipedream.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 01:10:34 -0800 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Alex Khassin Subject: Re: Am I Missing Something? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_13tW35g.bO1997u.N09d000A.r03Y.10:002622" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --=_13tW35g.bO1997u.N09d000A.r03Y.10:002622 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:16:06 -0800 wrote: > but the filename is always the name of the TCL script - NOT >the true filename? There is an HTTP header for setting the target filename of a file sent to the client. I don't remember what it is off hand but you should be able to find the info in any good reference on HTTP. If you don't find it e-mail me and I'll go through my files and find it for you. --=_13tW35g.bO1997u.N09d000A.r03Y.10:002622 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="alexsig.txt" Content-Description: The Sender's Signature -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Alex Khassin AM Computers mailto:akhassin@am.net 1040-B N. Dutton Ave Voice: (800) 579-2018 Santa Rosa, CA 95401 (707) 579-2010 http://am.net ---------------------------------------------------------------- The Source for Advanced Computing Solutions ---------------------------------------------------------------- am.net = The Best Hosting Service with integrated database, secure transactions, real-time credit card processing and more ---------------------------------------------------------------- --=_13tW35g.bO1997u.N09d000A.r03Y.10:002622-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:31:18 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Peter Jansson Subject: Re: Am I Missing Something? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You may want to look at ns_returnfile, if you haven't tried that already. On Wed, 12 Mar 1997 wpowell@edu.att.com wrote: > registration information. What I need is a way to cause the CBT file to > be downloaded to the student VIA a TCL script: I do NOT want the > students to get at the files directly. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 02:53:14 +0100 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Gaute Amundsen Subject: Error: WaitForMiServer & thread max (50) reached Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have recently gotten this several times a day: >[13/Mar/1997:09:55:52 +0100][83.244][bilnett] >Error: WaitForMiServer(default:bilnettdb): >recv(524, MSG_PEEK) failed: Arg list too long Followed by an error from a catch in the script >[13/Mar/1997:09:55:53 +0100][83.244][bilnett] >Error: Bilnett SQL failed and It may seem that this is almost always soon Followed by [13/Mar/1997:10:38:57 +0100][83.93][-Scheduler-] Warning: bilnett: thread max (50) reached with XX connections waiting. Today this corrected it self, mysteriously after about 70 min. I have had a problem, with "thread max (50) reached" before, but after I turned off all DNS lookups, it went away. (thanks for the help with that, by the way) Before I start tuning on debug mode and so on, does anyone here have a hint? Perhaps someone knows what WaitForMiServer and MSG_PEEK is? Many thanks gaute ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:48:20 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Mark Nielsen Subject: Postgres95 driver for AOLserver --- compiling problems Content-Type: text > > You can grab a copy of Postgres95, a free implementation of SQL, from > > www.postgresql.org. There is code in the AOLserver distribution for a > > database driver that you can try compiling on Linux. That code is in > > the "examples/c/postgres/" directory of the AOLserver distribution and > > should be enough to get you connected to Postgres95. I was trying to compile the driver, but it wouldn't. It kept on trying to look for a file in the source code for the Postgres95. I tried to include various libraries in the source code of postgres95, and got a little further, but I gave up. Did anybody manage to compile it for Linux? Thanks for any help!!! Mark ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 14:25:26 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Barlow Subject: defineing Interps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" HI all I am trying to setup a perl interpreter on WinNt. I installed perl and can run scripts from dos prompt so far so good. Under cgi setup in AOLserver I defined an interp named perlexe extension as http://204.181.7.192/wwwboard/wwwboard.pl interpreter as c:\perl\bin\perl.exe I can run the wwwboard.pl script from the dos prompt and it will run from their. under cgi mappings I tried every type of mapping I could think of I still dont understand WHAT correct mappings even are though. when I run the html file that calls the perl script I get a server is configured wrong error page,In the server.log file it says it cannot run the wwwboard.pl file as well for some reason the server is now running the interpretor apparently. Any help would be appreciated Kerry Soon to be..Barlow&Barlow computers Servers for you. http://204.181.7.192 barlow@servtech.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:35:30 +0100 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Gaute Amundsen Subject: BUG in sendmail.tcl? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think I may have found a bug in sendmail.tcl in _ns_sendmail. If I am correct this will have caused _ns_sendmail to timeout on some mail servers. We run NTmail, and I could never make it work before I changed this code. (I had to use our providers SMTP host) The first part of the script reads proc _ns_sendmail {smtp timeout to from subject body} { foreach line [split \ "To: $to From: $from Subject: $subject $body " \n] { if [string match . $line] { append data . } append data $line append data \n } append data . I think the last lines of this should be append data $line append data \r\n } append data . At least this fixes my problem.... gaute -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gaute Amundsen Info-expert AS & BilNett AS NT WEB DB mail TCL http://www.Info-Expert.no Utvikling og drift http://www.BILNETT.no ----------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 18:01:18 -0800 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: "L. Sun" Subject: Help needed on running perl scripts under Aolserver Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, Everyone: I can run perl scripts under Website, Microsoft IIS and netscape Enterprise Server under NT4.0. But I never get a chance to run perl scripts under Aolserver. Can Anyone help me one that. Thanks! By the way, I can only receive digest, I can not get normal message from this list! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 00:40:00 +0100 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Michael Hirmke Organization: Kommunikationsnetz Franken e.V. (Nuernberg) Subject: Re: defineing Interps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------------------------------------------------------------------- referring to your message with subject: [defineing Interps] posted on: [08 Mar 97] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, > HI all I am trying to setup a perl interpreter on WinNt. > I installed perl and can run scripts from dos prompt so far so good. This is an example from one of my ini files: ------------------------< snip snip snip >----------------------------- ... [ns/interps/ips01] .pl=c:\entw\perl\perl5\bin\perl.exe ... [ns/server/virtual01/cgi] Interps=ips01 Map=GET /cgi-bin c:\usr\bin\cgi Map=POST /cgi-bin c:\usr\bin\cgi ... ------------------------< snip snip snip >----------------------------- [...] > > Kerry Bye. Michael. -- Michael Hirmke, Georg-Strobel-Strasse 81, D-90489 Nuernberg, Germany email mh@mike.franken.de / voice +49-911-557999 / fax +49-911-557664 www http://mike.franken.de/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 13:53:48 -0600 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Vojislav Lalich-Petrich Subject: NT support Comments: cc: doug@helix.office.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It is very unfortunate that you have decided to drop the support for NT. Given that more than 50% of your developers are on NT should have been an indication of user interest in the product and its broad acceptance on that platform. This, coupled with the current industry trends and even broader acceptance of NT in the enterprise is making you decision even harder to understand. The UNIX OS's you will support in the future are, with the exception of one, niche markets that will likely shrink further. On the other hand, those markets are already saturated with the freeware products like Apache Server or are prepackaged with Netscape products well integrated (and payed for) with the system. The likelihood of AOLserver use on such a system will be more and more questionable. Considering Linux as a replacement for NT is inadequate for several reasons. I am sure you are aware that no corporate IT manager will take on Linux as an OS of choice, for obvious reasons. More importantly, in order to be able to run a complete solution (server + db) one is forced to introduce a second (heterogenous) machine jacking up the overall cost for about $40K over the period of 3-4 years. With all this in perspective, I question AOL's commitment to the developer group. Choice of OS's to drop and ones to continue supporting and attitude towards the 50% of current developers leaves an impression that AOLserver is a product that will be developed for AOL's internal use as Primehost platform with a very little or no consideration of developers. You will not need us, regardless of a platform AOLserver runs on. Developer's role will become the one of beta testers that work for free, debugging the custom AOL software. Finally, how will I know that the UNIX OS I chose today will see the 2.3 release of AOLserver given the changed market conditions 6 months form now? If 50% was not a compelling reason to continue support why would 5% or 10% be? Considering all the solid options available to you (from licensing of the source to payed-for support) and inherent lost opportunity to provide services to the paying-accustomed NT community, it seems that your decision to drop support for NT is a step in a downfall of once best of breed NaviSoft/GNN/AOL product. Best of luck, Voja. >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:06:11 -0500 >From: Doug McKee >Subject: AOLserver news > >The past few months have seen a lot of changes at AOL in the Web >Server Development Group, including moving the group across country >(from Santa Barbara, California to Reston, Virginia) and nearly a >whole new development team. I hope you'll understand these changes as >the reason why we've haven't been putting out new releases and you >haven't heard much from us lately on the mailing list. In that time, >we've been doing a lot of thinking and planning, and I wanted to keep >you all in the loop. Let me say also, right up front, that AOL >remains committed to free distribution of AOLserver, and we're >planning some good stuff for our next releases. > >Now some bad news: We will not be making any new Windows NT releases. >That is, we are no longer supporting Windows NT as a platform, and >future releases will only be on Unix platforms. Here at AOL, we don't >use Windows NT a whole lot, and we feel our effort is better spent >improving the product for Unix than in maintaining the same >functionality under Windows NT. I know that perhaps over 50% of the >AOLserver users outside of AOL are on Windows NT, and we've really >appreciated the bug reports and good ideas that have come from you. >We will be continuing to support Linux, so some of you will at least >be able to use the same hardware to run new AOLserver releases. We >will also continue to distribute the current version of AOLserver for >Windows NT (i.e. version 2.1). > >We will continue to do free distributions of new releases for Unix >platforms, including SGI Irix, HP/UX, Digital Unix, Sun Solaris, and >Linux. > >We will only be distributing the 40 bit SSL module. That is, we will >no longer be mailing out copies of the 128 bit SSL module to addresses >in the United States. If and when the export restrictions are lifted, >we will put the 128 bit SSL module on the web site for electronic >distribution. > >Starting on June 1, we will no longer be able to freely distribute the >Illustra RDBMS -- our license agreement with Illustra (now Informix) >was a 2 year agreement and that's when it expires. Until then, you >can still download the software from our web or ftp sites. We will >continue to support the freely available Postgres 95 database, and we >would love to help anyone who writes a database driver for any other >freely available (or commercial for that matter) rdbms's (e.g., GNU >SQL Server). > >Finally, we are planning a release of AOLserver (2.2) for June that >includes many new features including support for a newer version of >Tcl and memory caching for performance. > >Thanks for sticking with us, and feel free to post questions and >comments to the AOLserver mailing list >(http://www.primehost.com/members/discuss/index.htm)! > >Doug > >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Doug McKee, Manager, Web Server Development >Email: doug@aol.net America Online, Inc. >Voice: (703) 265-5731 12100 Sunrise Valley Dr. >Fax: (703) 453-4005 Reston, VA > 20191 >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 21:52:53 +0000 Reply-To: jbs@falcon-net.net Sender: Web Development with AOLserver Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Jon Simonds Organization: Falcon Networking Subject: SSL Server MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I am currently in the process of setting up the SSL portion of the AOLServer. My question is, what is being used for the 'pass phrase' when the server creates the KEY? It also appears that the certificate request is in a different form than expected by THAWTE consulting, which is who I was going to use to certify my certificate... Can anyone help???? Sorry if this has already been discussed. Thanks! +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ | Jon Simonds jbs@falcon-net.net | | Falcon Networking Gainesville, Florida | +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=> Go Gators! <-=-+ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:10:15 +0100 Reply-To: ray@carpe.net Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Ray Davis Subject: Re: NT support In-Reply-To: Automatic digest processor's message <199703180501.AAA09984@services.web.aol.com> of Tue, 18 Mar 1997 00:01:03 EST. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > It is very unfortunate that you have decided to drop the support for NT. > > Given that more than 50% of your developers are on NT should have been an > indication of user interest in the product and its broad acceptance on that > platform. > This, coupled with the current industry trends and even broader acceptance > of NT in the enterprise is making you decision even harder to understand. > > The UNIX OS's you will support in the future are, with the exception of > one, niche markets that will likely shrink further. On the other hand, > those markets are already saturated with the freeware products like Apache > Server or are prepackaged with Netscape products well integrated (and payed > for) with the system. The likelihood of AOLserver use on such a system will > be more and more questionable. You're missing one very important point. AOL is not developing aolserver for you and me, they're developing it for themselves (Primehost). If they were trying to sell it or needed to make it popular, then they would be supporting NT. > Considering Linux as a replacement for NT is inadequate for several reasons. > I am sure you are aware that no corporate IT manager will take on Linux as > an OS of choice, for obvious reasons. I'll agree with you here - BSD/OS would be a much better choice as it is the only commercially supported pc-unix available. We won't run Linux in a production environment. > With all this in perspective, I question AOL's commitment to the developer > group. Choice of OS's to drop and ones to continue supporting and attitude > towards the 50% of current developers leaves an impression that AOLserver > is a product that will be developed for AOL's internal use as Primehost > platform with a very little or no consideration of developers. Oh - you do get the point. I thought everyone understood that the main point is to support Primehost. We're just lucky they give their software away free so we can use it. They don't *want* to sell it, because then they would be obligated to support it, fix bugs, etc, which is a whole different line of business. > You will not need us, regardless of a platform AOLserver runs on. > Developer's role will become the one of beta testers that work for free, > debugging the custom AOL software. Since AOL purchased NaviSoft and they decided to give us the software for free - this has always been the way I considered us. If the product weren't stable enough, we wouldn't use it at all. But since it is stable and it's free, I certainly don't mind being a "beta tester". > Finally, how will I know that the UNIX OS I chose today will see the 2.3 > release of AOLserver given the changed market conditions 6 months form now? Find out what Primehost uses for servers. If they have a farm of 100s of HP-UX systems, for example, then I'd go fo the same. Personally, I'm glad they've dropped support for NT. It's a non-standard, unsociable, vaguely tested, joke of an OS no matter how popular it is. Now the aolserver development crew can spend more time on making a rock solid unix version - instead of being beta testers for Mickeysoft. ;-) Cheers, Ray ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:28:06 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Michael Jennings Subject: Re: NT support In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970316135341.0082a500@internet.visioninc.com> from Vojislav Lalich-Petrich at "Mar 16, 97 01:53:48 pm" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vojislav Lalich-Petrich wrote: > Given that more than 50% of your developers are on NT should have been an > indication of user interest in the product and its broad acceptance on that > platform. > This, coupled with the current industry trends and even broader acceptance > of NT in the enterprise is making you decision even harder to understand. It's really very simple. They're in the provider business, not the software business. What part of that is so hard to comprehend? > The UNIX OS's you will support in the future are, with the exception of > one, niche markets that will likely shrink further. On the other hand, > those markets are already saturated with the freeware products like Apache > Server or are prepackaged with Netscape products well integrated (and payed > for) with the system. The likelihood of AOLserver use on such a system will > be more and more questionable. UNIX isn't going anywhere. If you think NT is every going to even put a dent in the UNIX market, think again. We use AOLserver on an IRIX box along with Apache, and I don't see that changing any time soon. > Considering Linux as a replacement for NT is inadequate for several reasons. > I am sure you are aware that no corporate IT manager will take on Linux as > an OS of choice, for obvious reasons. Shame. As an operating system, Linux blows NT out of the water any day. Even with all its security holes, Linux is far more secure than NT. > More importantly, in order to be able to run a complete solution (server + > db) one is forced to introduce a second (heterogenous) machine jacking up > the overall cost for about $40K over the period of 3-4 years. If that's what your purchasing department is telling you, fire them. You could run an effective web and database server on the same machine for $10-15 thousand for 3-4 years easily. You just have to learn to be cost effective. > With all this in perspective, I question AOL's commitment to the developer > group. Choice of OS's to drop and ones to continue supporting and attitude > towards the 50% of current developers leaves an impression that AOLserver > is a product that will be developed for AOL's internal use as Primehost > platform with a very little or no consideration of developers. > You will not need us, regardless of a platform AOLserver runs on. > Developer's role will become the one of beta testers that work for free, > debugging the custom AOL software. AOL isn't committed to developing software at all! They're in the provider business! Is it just me, or is this beginning to sound like a broken record? > Finally, how will I know that the UNIX OS I chose today will see the 2.3 > release of AOLserver given the changed market conditions 6 months form now? > If 50% was not a compelling reason to continue support why would 5% or > 10% be? Simple. Because the people who develop AOL server use UNIX themselves. Nobody in their right mind who goes UNIX ever goes back. > Considering all the solid options available to you (from licensing of the > source to payed-for support) and inherent lost opportunity to provide > services to the paying-accustomed NT community, it seems that your decision > to drop support for NT is a step in a downfall of once best of breed > NaviSoft/GNN/AOL product. I'm not even going to bother saying it again. If anyone hasn't figured it out by now, they never will. Michael -- "It's alright. It's ok. Welcome to this life. Don't worry, sweet baby, 'cause it's over before you know." -- Leah Andreone ======================================================================= Michael Jennings (KainX!mejenn01@irc.louisville.edu) TACH System Administrator http://www.spd.louisville.edu/~mejenn01/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:09:35 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Kriston Organization: Web Server Development, AOL Networks, Reston, VA Subject: Re: NT Support You wrote: >Considering Linux as a replacement for NT is inadequate for several reasons. >I am sure you are aware that no corporate IT manager will take on Linux as >an OS of choice, for obvious reasons. >More importantly, in order to be able to run a complete solution (server + >db) one is forced to introduce a second (heterogenous) machine jacking up >the overall cost for about $40K over the period of 3-4 years. Although your email has some good points, this is not entirely correct. As I mentioned before on the AOLSERVER mailing list, there is at least one database product that can be used on Linux with AOLserver right now. It can be hosted on the same machine with the AOLserver. That database is Postgres95, and it's a fully functional SQL database. Find it and others like it at www.postgresql.org. As for transferring your data to this database, there may not be a clean binary dump capability to get your data from one database to the other. But, you should be able to do SQL dumps from Illustra/AOLserver that can be fed back into the Postgres95 database (for both the schema and the data, or the schema and CSV-formatted data). I haven't yet tried this on populated Illustra tables. This is by no means the only kind of database that AOLserver can talk to. The external programs that talk to databases on behalf on AOLserver can be written by anyone. There is documentation on the subject in the AOLserver documentation and working code examples in the AOLserver distribution in examples/c/postgres, examples/c/nsillpd, and examples/c/nssybpd for Postgres, Illustra and Sybase, respectively. I believe that the only requirement is that the database speaks SQL. Does anyone know off-hand if Sybase makes a database product for Linux? I hope this helps. That extra $40k for another machine may not be necessary after all, since you can still do it all on Linux on one machine. Personally, I think you'd be getting more free support from the worldwide base of Linux users than you'd ever get from the costly "certified" Microsoft MCSE folks, but that's just my opinion. Kris -- Kriston J. Rehberg America Online, Inc. http://members.aol.com/kriston/ Web Server Development (703) 453-4409 endeavor to persevere ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 14:31:06 -0500 Reply-To: jason@hypertak.com Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Jason Chiang Organization: HyperTak, Inc. Subject: Illustra connectivity Comments: cc: support@primehost.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is it possible to have my program read from Illustra server which resides in PrimeHost server farm? Thank you for any thoughts. Jason Chiang http://www.hypertak.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:18:55 +7 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver Comments: Authenticated sender is From: John Buckman Organization: Walter Shelby Group Ltd. Subject: Re: NT support > > Considering Linux as a replacement for NT is inadequate for several reasons. > > I am sure you are aware that no corporate IT manager will take on Linux as > > an OS of choice, for obvious reasons. > > I'll agree with you here - BSD/OS would be a much better choice as > it is the only commercially supported pc-unix available. We won't > run Linux in a production environment. Not quite - Solaris for Intel is a really nice commercial Unix for PCs, and it is also supported by AOLServer. It's also inexpensive - I believe in the $100 range. I run AolServer on Solaris for Intel, Solaris for Sparc and NT, and it works fine on all of them. For me, a bigger concern is that since Illustra has ceased to exist (it's been eaten by Informix), there is an open question as to what database backend AOLServer will support now. When a new version of AOLServer comes out, will it support features in Informix/Illustra? Will we have to buy a license to Informix then? Or, will they be weighed down with having to support a version of Illustra that they can't even let us download any more? Considering the deep integration of database features with AOLServer, until this question is resolved the future of AOLServer as a "public" software package is seriously in doubt. John John Buckman Shelby Group Ltd., http://www.shelby.com/ Developers of Lyris Email List Server ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:42:49 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Kriston Organization: Web Server Development at America Online, Inc. Subject: Re: Postgres95 driver for AOLserver --- compiling problems [...postgres trouble snipped...] >I was trying to compile the driver, but it wouldn't. It kept on trying to >look for a file in the source code for the Postgres95. I tried to >include various libraries in the source code of postgres95, and got a >little further, but I gave up. > >Did anybody manage to compile it for Linux? I don't use Linux at the moment, but I ran into probably the same problem in SGI Irix. You can do a few things. You can either change this line in postgres.c: #include "libpq-fe.h" to: #include "/usr/local/pgsql/include/libpq-fe.h" (assuming you have postgres installed in /usr/local/pgsql) Or, you can add "-I/usr/local/pgsql/include" to your makefile (assuming you have postgres installed in /usr/local/pgsql, which is the default place their build scripts put it). Btw, did you remember to edit the makefile for your platform? There are several sections in there for different platforms (hmm, but I see that none of them are Linux). Try this: # Linux, dammit! CC=gcc COPTS=-g -I/usr/local/pgsql/include LDFLAGS=-shared Then type "make clean" followed by "make", then you should be good to go with some spare change in your pocket. Go grab a soda. Good luck, Kris -- Kriston J. Rehberg America Online, Inc. http://members.aol.com/kriston/ Web Server Development (703) 453-4409 endeavor to persevere ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:01:48 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Barlow Subject: Moderators out their anymore?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Geeze all this bashing and flameing going on in the list, It is as if the moderators have all gone to lunch! Frankly I am geting tired of hearing the Unix lovers bragging about their OS. I am proud to see that not a single NT user has flamed that "OTHER" operating system. To bad their was not the same courtesy in reverse! It would be nice to get back to some valid topics in this group,instead of all this bickering going on. Criticism by the mass's, has destroyed more technology that it has ever created. I think the WIn NT users have a valid right to question AOL;s decision,and they should be allowed to calmly state their opinions and feelings without haveing to defend themselves. Thank heavens(pun intended) that Gallileo had the courage to fight for his convictions. Kerry Soon to be..Barlow&Barlow computers Servers for you. http://204.181.7.192 barlow@servtech.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 01:22:26 -0500 Reply-To: philg@mit.edu Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Philip Greenspun Subject: new release of my book which brand of Unix? In-Reply-To: <199703190510.AAA27194@services.web.aol.com> (message from Automatic digest processor on Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:06:51 -0500) First, I put a new release of my book with lots of new AOLserver Tcl/RDBMS examples at http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/wtr/dead-trees/ Second, here are a few responses... Ray said... > Finally, how will I know that the UNIX OS I chose today will see the 2.3 > release of AOLserver given the changed market conditions 6 months form now? Find out what Primehost uses for servers. If they have a farm of 100s of HP-UX systems, for example, then I'd go fo the same. Primehost uses SGI. They mostly run AOLserver 2.0, though, so don't necessarily look to them for the most stable version of 2.1. I've been testing an unreleased binary of 2.1 for SPARC Solaris (not the one on the server right now). It is the most reliable Web server I've used in 3 years. It can serve at least 20,000 RDBMS-backed hits without dying (I kill my servers at 4 am every day so I don't have a clear idea of exactly how long it could stay up). I don't want to push Sun and Slowlaris but it does seem like the safe choice these days for a lot of Web software. Personally, I'm glad they've dropped support for NT. It's a non-standard, unsociable, vaguely tested, joke of an OS no matter how popular it is. Oh no, I think Ray has been reading http://www.webho.com/WealthClock :-) Though I do think Microshaft deserves to die and I feel almost as sorry for NT users (like me!) as I do for VI users, I do think that the it is a shame for the world when a brilliant program like AOLserver isn't distributing and used as widely as possible. Maybe if the AOL management reads Richard Stallman's GNU manifesto they will eventually license the source code to an NT server company and/or license the AOLserver under the standard GNU terms. Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:28:06 -0500 From: Michael Jennings Subject: Re: NT support > Finally, how will I know that the UNIX OS I chose today will see the 2.3 > release of AOLserver given the changed market conditions 6 months form now? > If 50% was not a compelling reason to continue support why would 5% or > 10% be? Simple. Because the people who develop AOL server use UNIX themselves. Nobody in their right mind who goes UNIX ever goes back. Ah, Michael. You need to read Chapter 13 of http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/wtr/dead-trees/ for my tale of how I abandoned Unix after a brief taste of its delights. Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 14:31:06 -0500 From: Jason Chiang Subject: Illustra connectivity Is it possible to have my program read from Illustra server which resides in PrimeHost server farm? No. They firewall to prevent you talking to Illustra. As well they should (see Chapter 12 of http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/wtr/dead-trees/ ). -- Philip Greenspun ------------------------------------------------------------- MIT Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science 545 Technology Square, Rm 609, Cambridge, MA 02139, (617) 253-8574 Web: http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/philg/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:36:33 -0800 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Eric Klein Subject: Re: Moderators out their anymore?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, In response to: > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:01:48 -0500 > To: GNNDEVELOPER-L@SERVICES.WEB.AOL.COM > From: Barlow > Subject: Moderators out their anymore?? > > Geeze all this bashing and flameing going on in the list, It is as if the > moderators have all gone to lunch! Nope, I'm still here, and I have decided in almost every case to forward people's posts on to the list. The reason behind this is that I want to ensure that everyone is able to get their viewpoint on the recent changes heard. There is an element of flaming, but that is dying down, and I felt that heavy-handed censorship would not have helped the list very much. > Frankly I am geting tired of hearing the > Unix lovers bragging about their OS. > I am proud to see that not a single NT user has flamed that "OTHER" > operating system. To bad their was not the same courtesy in reverse! Personally, I tend to agree, the old OS wars get a little old. However, in all of the posts where people complained about NT or UNIX, there were also several other very valid points and concerns, and I wanted to make sure that they were heard. Frankly, usually when I ask someone to change something in a post, and then resubmit it, I never see the post again, and I wanted to make sure that these posts got through. > It would be nice to get back to some valid topics in this group,instead of > all this bickering going on. Criticism by the mass's, has destroyed more > technology that it has ever created. Yep, it has. However informed criticism (which not all posts are) can be very important, and I believe that uninformed criticism should be corrected. In time (sooner rather than later I think), the current fuss will die down, and the list will be back to normal. Until that time I will continue to forward on almost all of these posts in order to ensure that everyone has a chance to communicate their views. > I think the WIn NT users have a valid right to question AOL;s decision,and > they should be allowed to calmly state their opinions and feelings without > haveing to defend themselves. I agree. Eric Klein AOLserver list moderator suntzu@west.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:09:24 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Norm Aleks Subject: Re: Postgres95 driver for AOLserver --- compiling problems In-Reply-To: Kriston's message of Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:42:49 -0500 > I was trying to compile the driver, but it wouldn't. It kept on trying > to look for a file in the source code for the Postgres95. I tried to In the distribution of AOLserver that I downloaded, there was a compiled postgres.so in the modules directory. I haven't gotten Postgres installed yet (working on it ...), but maybe you don't *have* to compile it? I know this is cheating :-) -- Norm Pharmaceutically Gifted: A steroid user ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:35:57 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Peter Jansson Subject: DB support (was Re: NT support) In-Reply-To: <199703190018.QAA01829@mail-gw3.pacbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Since the release of 2.1 and the external database driver, the AOLServer no longer has "deep" integration with a database, so there's an opportunity for someone to write an external driver that would use, for example, Solid (www.solid.com), or Velocis (www.raima.com), both of which are available for Linux (OK -- Solid definitely is, I'm not so sure of Velocis). While these don't support many of the Illustra-specific features, they do seem to support complete SQL, which is more than we can say for PostgreSQL. I won't be able to get to this for quite a bit, but someone could grab the Solid evaluation copy and write an nssolidpd so it would hook into AOLServer, then you've got a $500 solution, which is better than none at all. Maybe an AOLServer user's group could negotiate a licence with Solid similar to the Illustra deal -- and all of this can happen without AOL's needing to be involved; we'd just have to from an AOLServer user's group. Maybe, if we get lucky, someone in the AOLServer development group might be able to pull this off. If not, I'll volunteer, but I'm not going to be able to get to it before May. Pete. On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, John Buckman wrote: > For me, a bigger concern is that since Illustra has ceased to exist > (it's been eaten by Informix), there is an open question as to what > database backend AOLServer will support now. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:33:07 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Peter Jansson Subject: Solid DB engine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I goofed in my earlier posting -- the info for Solid is athttp://www.solidtech.com/ and there is a free copy offer for a limited time with info available at http://www.solidtech.com/linuxfre.htm Pete. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:58:19 -0700 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Thorn Roby Subject: Re: AOLSERVER SSL In-Reply-To: <199703190506.AAA27165@services.web.aol.com> from "Automatic digest processor" at Mar 19, 97 00:06:51 am Content-Type: text > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 21:52:53 +0000 > From: Jon Simonds > Subject: SSL Server > > I am currently in the process of setting up the SSL portion of the > AOLServer. My question is, what is being used for the 'pass phrase' > when the server creates the KEY? It also appears that the > certificate request is in a different form than expected by THAWTE > consulting, which is who I was going to use to certify my > certificate... Can anyone help???? I tried several times to generate a certificate request for VeriSign using AOLserver 2.1 under Solaris. I tried all the variations suggested on the mailing list involving slight modifications to the surrounding text. VeriSign reported they could not decode any of them. They did report at least one successful certificate request from an AOLserver site, but it was running NT. I emailed AOL about the problem but never received a response. This was my primary reason for dropping AOLserver in favor of Apache (Stronghold), despite my admiration for its other impressive features. Thorn Roby troby@carl.org CARL Corporation 3801 E. Florida Ave.,Suite 300,Denver CO 80210 (303) 758-3030 x125 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 05:55:23 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: "Larry W. Virden, x2487" Subject: Re: Moderators out their anymore?? In-Reply-To: <199703192232.OAA22448@acme.sb.west.net> of Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:36:33 -0800 > I think the WIn NT users have a valid right to question AOL;s decision,and > they should be allowed to calmly state their opinions and feelings without > haveing to defend themselves. I also think that GNN has the right to drop support for a platform without having to defend themselves. They know their financial situation and whether they have the time, money, resources, etc. to support a platform, and they have access to lawyers to discuss source code releases, so they know what they can and cannot do. I suspect that they had all these discussions many more times, and much more heatedly, than anyone on these lists can imagine. Dropping support for a dying platform is easy - being forced to drop support for a potentially lucrative platform is a tough call. And if folk would stop and think before posting, there are several reasons which would not be able to be discussed publically which could be behind it. Continually whining about losing support only makes matters worse. -- Larry W. Virden INET: lvirden@cas.org <*> O- "We are all Kosh." Unless explicitly stated to the contrary, nothing in this posting should be construed as representing my employer's opinions. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:31:43 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Kriston Organization: Web Server Development, AOL Networks, Reston, VA Subject: Re: NT support In-Reply-To: <199703200501.AAA10899@services.web.aol.com> you wrote: >For me, a bigger concern is that since Illustra has ceased to exist >(it's been eaten by Informix), there is an open question as to what >database backend AOLServer will support now. AOLserver supports any backend database through plug-in database modules. Such modules exist in the distribution for Sybase, Illustra and Postgres. If you or your programming staff glances at the source code (which is included) you may even be able to write your own module for, say, Oracle, or even Microsoft SQL server. >Considering the deep integration of database features with AOLServer, >until this question is resolved the future of AOLServer as a "public" >software package is seriously in doubt. With Postgres95 and Sybase proxy daemons available in the public distribution of AOLserver, I don't see how this could be a valid concern. Unless I am missing something. In any case, you can always cobble up your own proxy daemon using the examples in the examples/c directory in the distribution as a reference. Kris -- Kriston J. Rehberg America Online, Inc. http://members.aol.com/kriston/ Web Server Development (703) 453-4409 endeavor to persevere ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 22:07:06 +7 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver Comments: Authenticated sender is From: John Buckman Organization: Walter Shelby Group Ltd. Subject: Re: NT support Comments: cc: Kriston > AOLserver supports any backend database through plug-in database > modules. Such modules exist in the distribution for Sybase, Illustra > and Postgres. What will happen to the Text datablade? Is it possible to run this on a different SQL platform? It seemed like this was a feature provided by Illustra (even though it looks like plain old SQL & Tcl to me). The reason I ask is that AOLServer is the only web server which was able to provide full text searching for our web site. Our tile.net site is a reference to Usenet, mailing lists, ftp sites and computer vendors, and has over 200,000 HTML documents -- this is a difficult site to provide text searching for. We went from WAIS to Excite to Netscape before AOLServer, and all those either failed on the size of our document base, or on the number of concurrent searches (there are often 5 concurrent searches going, we get 300,000 hits a day). Thus, I am _really_ happy with the AOLserver/Illustra text indexing solution, because it actually works. It's also considerably more reliable than the Netscape/Verity solution. I was hoping to see AOLserver continue in this direction of providing rich, database-integrated solutions. Since AOL won't be able to distribute a database package with AOLServer, it seemed to me that this integration would be more difficult to pass on to the public. > With Postgres95 and Sybase proxy daemons available in the public > distribution of AOLserver, I don't see how this could be a valid > concern. Unless I am missing something. I see your position, and I mostly agree with you. Most of the "AOLserver as Web development platform" features don't depend on Illustra, and will survive fine without it. However, if AOL is to be able to provide "plug 'n' play" web-database applications (such as the text datablade), this will be more difficult without Illustra to bundle with it. This is just my opinion, nothing more. John John Buckman Shelby Group Ltd., http://www.shelby.com/ Developers of Lyris Email List Server ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:14:11 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Kriston Organization: Web Server Development, AOL Networks, Reston, VA Subject: Re: NT support Comments: To: John Buckman In-Reply-To: <199703210606.WAA12818@mail-gw2.pacbell.net> John Buckman writes: > >What will happen to the Text datablade? Is it possible to run this >on a different SQL platform? It seemed like this was a feature >provided by Illustra (even though it looks like plain old SQL & Tcl >to me). If you're referring to the Text datablade for NT, I don't really know the answer to that. For the Unix platforms that are supported, you should be able to purchase Illustra for just about any of them (except Linux) directly from Informix. Depending on what the money situation looks like, it may be just as much money to build out another UNIX box to talk to your already-existing Illustra server on that NT box. Sorry if I don't have a good answer. I agree that full-text searching is important. Anyone else care to comment? Kris -- Kriston J. Rehberg America Online, Inc. http://members.aol.com/kriston/ Web Server Development (703) 453-4409 endeavor to persevere ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:16:28 -0800 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: "Dave Valentine;Webb 2012;3471" Subject: Setting User ID's Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In user directories(~user), is there a way to allow AOLserver to obey the set-uid bit? In our setup, users can create information on the server using a unix-based appleshare server (or PC-NFS), and we can force files and directories the group id to be the 'webserver' group. But we can't force AOLserver to obey the set-uid bit, so that it will create documents with the user id. All documents created become user, webadmin, and group, webserver. We like the documents to be user, user, and group, webserver. Tried a 4bit mask in createmode, and mkdirmode, but that didn't work either. Dave Valentine Internet: dwv@magic.ucsb.edu http://www.geol.ucsb.edu/~dwv/ "Keep Subduction Safe and Legal" ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 23:42:44 +0100 Reply-To: infonet@noord.bart.nl Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: winston Subject: problems witg cgi and compiling MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hallo to All We're 4 students form the Netherlands and are trying to get the Aloserver and Illustra database working, we are having some problems with the libries the ns_lib and some other libraries just seem to be missing during compiling we are using Visul C++ and Borland C++ both give the same errors during the compiling process. Please give us a email back if you know the answer, if you need the specific errors, we will send them to you by email. It is also possible that we need a membership for Primehost for our answers and maybe even for obtaining the missing libraries, we don't no this. Please let us know because we're nearing the point of insanity. Thanks in forward, Winston Mendeszoon ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:10:40 +0100 Reply-To: ray@carpe.net Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Ray Davis Subject: Re: AOLSERVER Digest - 18 Mar 1997 to 19 Mar 1997 In-Reply-To: Automatic digest processor's message <199703200501.AAA10899@services.web.aol.com> of Thu, 20 Mar 1997 00:01:08 EST. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Considering Linux as a replacement for NT is inadequate for several reasons. > > > I am sure you are aware that no corporate IT manager will take on Linux as > > > an OS of choice, for obvious reasons. > > > > I'll agree with you here - BSD/OS would be a much better choice as > > it is the only commercially supported pc-unix available. We won't > > run Linux in a production environment. > > Not quite - Solaris for Intel is a really nice commercial Unix for > PCs, and it is also supported by AOLServer. It's also inexpensive - I > believe in the $100 range. I knew someone would catch me on that when I re-read my posting. ;) What I *meant* to say was that it's the only commercially supported pc-BSD available. Certainly there are a number of supported unixes like Solaris, SCO, etc. > For me, a bigger concern is that since Illustra has ceased to exist > (it's been eaten by Informix), there is an open question as to what > database backend AOLServer will support now. If AOL will tell us what dbms they plan to use at Primehost, and if the AOLserver releases will include the hooks for that dbms, then that would help us all in our planning. Cheers, Ray ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:56:12 +0100 Reply-To: dormanns@kzs.hu Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Dormanns Marcel Organization: Kossuth Zsuzsanna Tech. Highschool Subject: CGI on Linux - illegal seek MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi all. I know his question has been asked before, but I couldn't find any final solution in my archives. I hope someone can help me out on this. As an experiment, and to prepare in case I have to abandon AOLserver on NT, I installed AOLserver 2.1 build 1 (downloaded a couple of days ago) on Linux 2.0.29. Essentially everything runs fine, including publishing with AOLpress. However, I ran into the same problem someone already mentioned last october. CGI somehow doesn't work as expected. In my case a compiled program creates the following messages in server.log Error: Process xxx exited from signal 13 Error: Error waiting for exit of CGI xxx/servers/server1/pages/cgi-bin/cachemgr.cgi: Illegal seek I followed the suggestion on the list a few months ago to turn on cgi debugging, it creates the files CgiInxxx an CgiOutxxx but both are empty. The same cgi program run directly from the shell nicely outputs the HTML to the screen. When executed by Apache it also runs without problems, only when run by AOLserver I get these errors. Did anybody come up with a cure for this ? Thanks in advance for your help. Marcel. --------------------------------------------------- Marcel Dormanns, system manager Kossuth Zsuzsanna Technical and High School 6800 Hodmezovasarhely, Kaszap u 29, Hungary Tel. +36-62-341811 Fax +36-62-344884 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:22:16 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Brad Chick Subject: script only runs some of the time? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I some tcl utilities that give our site automated event calendars. We are a sports site that deals with more than just one sport (running, track & field, mtb, etc.). I tried to write the code so that it would be general enough to handle different sports with different calendar structures (some sports' calendars are listed state-by-state, while others are regional). The problem is that sometimes, when I try to run the script to update the calendars, I'll get the following message returned to the clent: "The requested URL was not found on this server." I never get this message for the running calendars, but many times for the track & field calendars, even though it is the same script that is being called in both cases. The script is called by requesting a URL and appending the sport to the end of it: "ns_register_proc GET /NS/CAL/UPDATE2 updatecal proc updatecal {conn ignore} { set category [lindex [ns_conn urlv $conn] 3]" In the cases where I get the above error, there are no error messages in the server log, but every indication that things are working well (all the SQL statements seem to be executing). And in those cases, the scripts do rewrite the appropriate files, but not with the appropriate data from the database. Rather, those track & field calendar files end up having just an "0" or a "1" in them. I really have not been able to figure out this problem. I have tried to just reinitialize the tcl, but that alone doesn't seem to work. On the other hand, if I go into the tcl code and delete some unnecessary spaces, reload, and then reinitialize, that does work. After I do that, the scripts will run properly. Any help on these issues would be much appreciated. +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | o _ _ _ | | _o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) | | _< \_ _>(_) (_)/<_ \_| \ _|/' \/ | | (_)>(_) (_) (_) (_) (_)' _\o_ | | --------^ ---^--- ---^--- ------- ----------- | | | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ "Doesn't matter where you finish, as long as nothing's broken!" -DoMan Brad Chick doman@doitsports.com Do It Sports, Inc. Voice: (313) 998-0007 150 S. Fifth Ave. Fax: (313) 998-0056 Suite C, Ann Arbor, MI 48014 http://www.doitsports.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:35:05 -0800 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Chris Umali Subject: IP Aliasing on NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, I'm running AOLserver 2.1 on a NT 4.0 Server. I want to create multiple virtuals, so does anyone know how I would be able to accomplish this? Do I need to add ethernet cards based on how many virtuals I want? Does anyone know if NT 4.0 Server supports IP aliasing? Thanks, Chris Umali WebMaster chris@netwerks.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 20:18:00 +0100 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Michael Hirmke Organization: Kommunikationsnetz Franken e.V. (Nuernberg) Subject: Re: CGI on Linux - illegal seek MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, [...] > Did anybody come up with a cure for this ? Sorry, no help - but an "add me" 8-( I have exactly the same problem with two Linux boxes. > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > > Marcel. Bye. Michael. -- Michael Hirmke | Telefon +49 (911) 557999 Georg-Strobel-Strasse 81 | FAX +49 (911) 557664 90489 Nuernberg | E-Mail mh@mike.franken.de | WWW http://mike.franken.de/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:03:19 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Mike Pear Organization: Ourclan Subject: Linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Will AOLservers run on linux? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 20:17:40 +0000 Reply-To: webmaster@shenwebworks.com Sender: Web Development with AOLserver Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Shenandoah Web Works Subject: Re: IP Aliasing on NT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Yes it does and you only need 1 Nic Card. I beleive it will support up to 255 IP Addresses. Please call for more Info. Mark A. Seder > Hello, > I'm running AOLserver 2.1 on a NT 4.0 Server. I want to create multiple > virtuals, so does anyone know how I would be able to accomplish this? Do I > need to add ethernet cards based on how many virtuals I want? Does anyone > know if NT 4.0 Server supports IP aliasing? > > Thanks, > > > Chris Umali > WebMaster > chris@netwerks.com > > Shenandoah Web Works http://www.shenwebworks.com/ (540) 955-0251 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:35:21 -0500 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Norm Aleks Subject: Re: CGI on Linux - illegal seek In-Reply-To: Michael Hirmke's message of Tue, 25 Mar 1997 20:18:00 +0100 Michael Hirmke writes: > [...] > > Did anybody come up with a cure for this ? > > Sorry, no help - but an "add me" 8-( > I have exactly the same problem with two Linux boxes. Sorry to do a "me too" ... but "me too." Linux kernel 2.0.12, Redhat 4.0, and AOLserver otherwise works great -- but this is a killer, stopping me from replacing Apache as much as I want to to get the other cool AOLserver features. -- Norm Chest exam is notable for tachypnea and tachycardia when you smile. ["Seven Minutes to Love," Joshua M. Sharfstein] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:14:29 -0600 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Vojislav Lalich-Petrich Subject: 'max thread' limit? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I'm starting to see things like this in my log: [27/Mar/1997:08:14:59 -0600][444.448][-Scheduler-] Warning: yugoslavia: thread max (100) reached with 14 connections waiting. [27/Mar/1997:08:15:59 -0600][444.448][-Scheduler-] Warning: yugoslavia: thread max (100) reached with 13 connections waiting. [27/Mar/1997:08:16:59 -0600][444.448][-Scheduler-] Warning: yugoslavia: thread max (100) reached with 3 connections waiting. [27/Mar/1997:08:18:59 -0600][444.448][-Scheduler-] Warning: yugoslavia: thread max (100) reached with 4 connections waiting. [27/Mar/1997:08:19:59 -0600][444.448][-Scheduler-] Warning: yugoslavia: thread max (100) reached with 6 connections waiting. [27/Mar/1997:08:20:59 -0600][444.448][-Scheduler-] Warning: yugoslavia: thread max (100) reached with 4 connections waiting. How high can one go with the max thread. I run NT on P6-200 with 128MB RAM. Thanks a lot, Voja. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 01:08:20 -0500 Reply-To: philg@mit.edu Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Philip Greenspun Subject: Re: AOLSERVER Digest - 20 Mar 1997 to 25 Mar 1997 Comments: cc: jbuckman@shelby.com, chris@netwerks.com In-Reply-To: <199703260505.AAA29665@services.web.aol.com> (message from Automatic digest processor on Wed, 26 Mar 1997 00:04:06 -0500) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 22:07:06 +7 From: John Buckman Subject: Re: NT support > AOLserver supports any backend database through plug-in database > modules. Such modules exist in the distribution for Sybase, Illustra > and Postgres. What will happen to the Text datablade? Is it possible to run this on a different SQL platform? It seemed like this was a feature provided by Illustra (even though it looks like plain old SQL & Tcl to me). The only reason that you like the Text datablade is that you haven't used the PLS Datablade. See http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/wtr/illustra-tips.html for an explanation of the difference. Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:35:05 -0800 From: Chris Umali Subject: IP Aliasing on NT Hello, I'm running AOLserver 2.1 on a NT 4.0 Server. I want to create multiple virtuals, so does anyone know how I would be able to accomplish this? Do I need to add ethernet cards based on how many virtuals I want? Does anyone know if NT 4.0 Server supports IP aliasing? I think this is documented in the AOlserver admin guide. Certainly Microshaft lets you do it with menus (in both 3.51 and 4.0) without an extra Ethernet card. I think you get 16 IP addresses. -- Philip Greenspun ------------------------------------------------------------- MIT Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science 545 Technology Square, Rm 609, Cambridge, MA 02139, (617) 253-8574 Web: http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/philg/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:10:00 PST Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: JamesX Blakeman Subject: Archive WWW page needed I few months ago someone sent me a URL for a site that archives all of this list's postings into a searchable index. Unfortunately I've lost the URL...anyone have it? Thanks. -James ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:14:25 -0600 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Vojislav Lalich-Petrich Subject: S1003:Lock manager: TABLE_ID <1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I'm running into the followin error from time to time and was wandering if anyone out there can help out. XS1003:Lock manager: TABLE_ID <1> It's about a Phone Book with about 1.7 mil records I'm searching trough. I have explored all the options, documentation for Illustra etc. but to no avail. However, this is what I noticed. When I make a DB and DON'T make an index on a row with the people's last name the error will not happen but the search will take about 1 min or more ;( When I make the index on the column, it works fine most of the time and gets the stuff out in about 1-2 sec. But, sometimes, it will give me the error mentioned above. Empirically, I have established that this error happens with the last names that are popular (sort of like Smith, Jones, ..) where there is a possibility of the search returning 10s of thousands of names. This is an except from the log: [27/Mar/1997:07:58:58 -0600][444.448][-Scheduler-] Notice: Db: Stale: default:mynewdb [27/Mar/1997:08:06:01 -0600][444.289][yugoslavia] Notice: Ns_Ill(default:yu_adrese): W01SS1:warning: [27/Mar/1997:08:06:01 -0600][444.289][yugoslavia] Notice: Ns_Ill(default:yu_adrese): W01SS1:warning: [27/Mar/1997:08:06:01 -0600][444.289][yugoslavia] Notice: Ns_Ill(default:yu_adrese): XS1003:Lock manager: TABLE_ID <1> and this is what I have found in the system tables for S1003: internal error: shared lock table %TABLE_ID% is out of space or corrupt Occasionally, I see this as well: [27/Mar/1997:11:12:37 -0600][444.381][yugoslavia] Notice: Ns_Ill(default:yu_adrese): W01SS1:warning: [27/Mar/1997:11:12:37 -0600][444.381][yugoslavia] Notice: Ns_Ill(default:yu_adrese): W01SS1:warning: [27/Mar/1997:11:12:37 -0600][444.381][yugoslavia] Notice: Ns_Ill(default:yu_adrese): XS1004:Lock manager: and this is what I have found in the system tables for S1004: internal error: shared lock transaction id table out of space or corrupt The TCL that does the searches starts like this ### ---------------------------------------------------- proc build_phonebook_returnpage_search {conn sql templatefile headerfile count} { # Get database handle; set db [ns_db gethandle yu_adrese] # Do the database search if [catch { set row [ns_db select $db $sql] } errMsg] { return [ns_dbreturnerror $conn $db "Could Not Perform Search"] } # Get the template information set templocation [ns_url2file $templatefile] if [catch {set tempid [open $templocation r]}] { return [ns_returnnotfound $conn] } set template [read $tempid] close $tempid ... etc and when it dies it dies on the first catch statement. I will see no problems whatsoever if I try to access the data directly via nsql from a C: prompt, with or without the indexed row so this whole thing has to do with TCL layer, somehow. If anyone has an idea as to how I could resolve this issue I'd appreciate it very much. Thanks, Voja. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:54:46 +0100 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: fr=?iso-8859-1?Q?=E9d=E9?=ric ligeard Organization: MAGNETI MARELLI Subject: Information about the command line option of AOLPress Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, recents users of AOLPress, we want the software to be installed in a network directory, but we don't know how to set a local preference file. After some test, we have seen that the software allow options, but we haven't find in the differents documentations a list of this options. I have two questions : - can AOLPress be used by multi-users ? - what's the list of the options ? Thank, Fred ---- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:01:39 -0800 Reply-To: Web Development with AOLserver Sender: Web Development with AOLserver From: Jason Decker Subject: CGI illegal seek on Linux (Redhat that is) Comments: To: Dormanns Marcel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From your the description of your problem, I would say your running RedHat 4.0, correct? :) Anyway, the problem is with the libraries with RedHat 4.0, RedHat 3.03 did not have this problem, and RedHat 4.1 I don't know since I switched over to Debian before that release. Jason deckerj@earthlink.net